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Post by subzero350 on Sept 5, 2018 14:04:39 GMT -5
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Post by 10point on Sept 5, 2018 14:21:53 GMT -5
New this year.
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Post by jbird on Sept 5, 2018 16:28:33 GMT -5
That's new. Now tell me that deer/vehicle accidents and the interest of the insurance companies isn't driving deer management in IN...... I support this over making the entire county a slaughter house however.
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Post by jman46151 on Sept 6, 2018 13:45:55 GMT -5
That's new. Now tell me that deer/vehicle accidents and the interest of the insurance companies isn't driving deer management in IN...... I support this over making the entire county a slaughter house however. That was the first thing I thought when I saw the map. |
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Post by greghopper on Sept 6, 2018 16:22:49 GMT -5
The Deer reduction Zones have been in place for a while now....the area just alongside road is something they rolled out new this year. |
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Post by subzero350 on Sept 6, 2018 22:56:09 GMT -5
The Deer reduction Zones have been in place for a while now....the area just alongside road is something they rolled out new this year. I was aware of the Deer Reduction Zones existing before, I just didn't know about this 1/2 mile inclusion zone from the centerline of certain highways being a part of that. Like jbird believes, I'm betting the insurance companies influenced the DNR to reduce eliminate the deer population around some of our more congested highways. The problem with this is deer travel more than 1/2 a mile and I doubt this effort is going to have any real impact on the deer-vehicle collisions. Let's just hope the DNR is only doing this to "throw a bone" to the insurance companies and they won't take more drastic measures in the future. I would sure hate to see a repeat of what the deer population was in this state back in the early 1900's (even though I'm sure the insurance companies would love that). |
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Post by firstwd on Sept 7, 2018 5:57:49 GMT -5
Deer vehicle collision data have been used by DNRs from all over the country as part of the equation to help determine harvest needs for decades. The idea that these new zones are being pushed by insurance companies is understandable but still inaccurate. Previously the data was used to keep the entire county in a higher bonus level, but it seems the new biologist is taking a different approach and narrowing the target area.
Personally I believe there will be loads of confusion and plenty is intentional misuse, but I see no reason to not try this approach.
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Post by jman46151 on Sept 7, 2018 11:28:49 GMT -5
Deer vehicle collision data have been used by DNRs from all over the country as part of the equation to help determine harvest needs for decades. The idea that these new zones are being pushed by insurance companies is understandable but still inaccurate. Previously the data was used to keep the entire county in a higher bonus level, but it seems the new biologist is taking a different approach and narrowing the target area. Personally I believe there will be loads of confusion and plenty is intentional misuse, but I see no reason to not try this approach. If the insurance companies aren't pushing for less vehicle/deer collisions, who is? Would law enforcement push for something like that? I can't say I blame the auto insurance given their business interests, just curious who else would influence policy? That being said I hope you are right in your thinking about how the DNR is using a more narrow approach to managing the deer herds in the new highway reduction areas. |
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Post by greghopper on Sept 7, 2018 11:41:22 GMT -5
Cars hitting deer is never good ... people can die from these accidents.
No one has to push for these reductions it just comman sence!!
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Post by jbird on Sept 7, 2018 13:53:04 GMT -5
Deer vehicle collision data have been used by DNRs from all over the country as part of the equation to help determine harvest needs for decades. The idea that these new zones are being pushed by insurance companies is understandable but still inaccurate. Previously the data was used to keep the entire county in a higher bonus level, but it seems the new biologist is taking a different approach and narrowing the target area. Personally I believe there will be loads of confusion and plenty is intentional misuse, but I see no reason to not try this approach. I don't think the new zones are being pushed by the insurance companies......I think a lot of the "herd reduction" in general state wide has been pushed by the insurance lobbies (or other financial stakeholders). The shift from entire counties to these more targeted zones I prefer. Not sure they will work.....I hope they do. I agree that some will abuse these new zones as well, but I think you are going to have that anyway. That tends to be more of a personal/individual issue vs a policy issue from what I have seen. It may be a more difficult enforcement issue than anything. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 7, 2018 14:04:40 GMT -5
Sorry but it is a myth that insurance companies push deer reduction. The deer and vehicle collisions does not take any money out of their pockets. They just pass along that cost in the form of higher comprehensive premiums for all of their clients.
The farmers side of Farm Bureau does push for more deer kills but that is a totally different entity than the insurance side.
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Post by greghopper on Sept 7, 2018 15:14:19 GMT -5
Sorry but it is a myth that insurance companies push deer reduction. The deer and vehicle collisions does not take any money out of their pockets. They just pass along that cost in the form of higher comprehensive premiums for all of their clients. The farmers side of Farm Bureau does push for more deer kills but that is a totally different entity than the insurance side. OLD "myths" sure die hard don't they!! |
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Post by beermaker on Sept 8, 2018 12:29:20 GMT -5
So, in order to reduce deer-vehicle accidents we are going to increase hunting pressure near busy roads? It may just be my way of looking at it, but won't this cause deer to be pushed, stirred up, escaping the area? Which would lead me to think that deer would be even more likely to be crossing roads.
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Post by scrub-buster on Sept 8, 2018 12:35:36 GMT -5
I'm all for reduction near roads. But here is my question. How does the DNR know how many deer/car collisions happen? I hit 2 in the last month and only reported them to my insurance company. No police reports were created. Do the insurance companies report them to the DNR?
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 8, 2018 12:44:00 GMT -5
I'm all for reduction near roads. But here is my question. How does the DNR know how many deer/car collisions happen? I hit 2 in the last month and only reported them to my insurance company. No police reports were created. Do the insurance companies report them to the DNR? The DNR goes by the ISP reported collisions. Does that get them all? No, but it might also pick up some that weren't deer related .. Like texting and run off the road then claim "I swerved to miss a deer in the road". The only ting that the DNR can go by is verified numbers. Chances of hitting deer in Indiana.. www.wkw.com/blog/drivers-1-145-chance-hitting-deer-indiana/ |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Sept 8, 2018 13:20:56 GMT -5
Those odds of hitting a deer are funny. My odds are about 1/4, as I've hit 4 deer in 16 years of driving. And none were reported, only one turned in to insurance, so none of them counted towards the stats.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 13:27:00 GMT -5
I hit two and one hit me. On that one I was stopped at a red light. The 3 does ran between me and car in front. The buck though decided to run into the front tire. All three not reported.
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Post by scrub-buster on Sept 8, 2018 13:42:18 GMT -5
I've done my fair share to up those statistics. I've hit 10 deer since I've been driving.
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Post by beermaker on Sept 8, 2018 14:24:56 GMT -5
I've hit one, coincidentally on the way to hunt, and did not report it. A friend just hit one the other day and pretty much totaled his beater car. He didn't report it due to only having liability on the car.
No telling how many dump trucks, semis, etc hit and just keep on down the road.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 8, 2018 14:44:17 GMT -5
I had one hit me.. on my way to go deer hunting one morning I saw two deer on the right side of the road so I slowed down. BAM a deer from the left ran into the side of my 4Runner.
Big old doe. I stopped and pulled her off the road and was going to stop and get her after hunting. She was gone by the time I got back. Either someone got her or she was just knocked out cold and recovered
Since I had damage I did report it.
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