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Post by thecommissioner on Jan 23, 2018 7:55:51 GMT -5
My trail camera photographed a trespasser who was positively identified and that was enough to secure a conviction. The sentence was a year of probation. Given that the perp is an all-around POS, I doubt the punishment has deterred him any.
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Post by esshup on Jan 23, 2018 14:25:53 GMT -5
My trail camera photographed a trespasser who was positively identified and that was enough to secure a conviction. The sentence was a year of probation. Given that the perp is an all-around POS, I doubt the punishment has deterred him any. How did he get convicted for trespassing? Or was it hunting without permission?
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Post by steiny on Jan 24, 2018 12:57:52 GMT -5
Purple paint would be easier and cheaper than putting up a bunch of signs.
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Post by beermaker on Jan 24, 2018 17:46:11 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand the mere idea of trespassing. I am absolutely paranoid about property lines and don't get anywhere near them, period. In my opinion, it's not much better than stealing.
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Post by swetz on Jan 24, 2018 20:30:36 GMT -5
I'm just hypothesizing since I don't trespass, but I'm guessing there is a variety of reasons people do it. Everything from people getting lost and accidentally going on someone's property all the way to being there specifically to steal things.
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Post by steiny on Jan 25, 2018 13:11:02 GMT -5
Used to be farms were much smaller and most farmers had livestock at some point so there were obvious fences around property perimeters. Very few fences anymore, so in many cases where two adjacent landowners woods meet it can be very difficult to distinguish the property line. Purple paint would be an easy way to mark the boundary.
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Post by duff on Jan 25, 2018 18:58:39 GMT -5
Why do we need a law to paint trees?
HNF paints some property lines with red paint on trees. I see it in some areas but not many. It is about a 2 foot band. Very easy to define a line.
Enforce the laws we have. I don't have to post signs to prosecute a tresspasser and I don't think we should have to paint trees either. I could care less if you want to or put up the great wall of china!
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Post by esshup on Jan 26, 2018 14:42:00 GMT -5
Why do we need a law to paint trees? HNF paints some property lines with red paint on trees. I see it in some areas but not many. It is about a 2 foot band. Very easy to define a line. Enforce the laws we have. I don't have to post signs to prosecute a tresspasser and I don't think we should have to paint trees either. I could care less if you want to or put up the great wall of china! I agree with you 110%. BUT..... A client's attorney had him (me) put up metal "private property, no trespassing" signs every 50 yds around his property, and around the shooting range there are numerous metal "active shooting range/bullet impact area" signs. His atty said that even with the way the law is written, if there was ever a problem having that many signs would be much easier to mount a defense against the "I didn't see the sign" excuse.
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 31, 2018 11:34:32 GMT -5
Why do we need a law to paint trees? HNF paints some property lines with red paint on trees. I see it in some areas but not many. It is about a 2 foot band. Very easy to define a line. Enforce the laws we have. I don't have to post signs to prosecute a tresspasser and I don't think we should have to paint trees either. I could care less if you want to or put up the great wall of china! I agree with you 110%. BUT..... A client's attorney had him (me) put up metal "private property, no trespassing" signs every 50 yds around his property, and around the shooting range there are numerous metal "active shooting range/bullet impact area" signs. His atty said that even with the way the law is written, if there was ever a problem having that many signs would be much easier to mount a defense against the "I didn't see the sign" excuse. Sadly this is precisely why we need yet another thing to help or assist a property owner in fighting the violation that is trespassing. I was extremely depressed when reading the survey results by the NDA on the topic (find details at their website): Have you ever knowingly trespassed when hunting or scouting?54.5% said YES 45.4% said NO If you have knowingly trespassed when hunting or scouting, what was your reasoning?(top answers) 52% Blood trailing 17.4% Quick look around 9% Other 6.8% Used as shortcut 6.8% Getting downed animal out, and trespassing allowed easier exit 3.9% If not posted it is fair game 1.2% Neighbor trespasses so returning the favor 1.2% Emergency 1.2% Not fair for large corporations or government to purchase and shut land off, so hunt anyway Basically....only the emergency one excluded EVERY answer concedes knowledge and not negligence they are/were trespassing. RIDICULOUS!!! Do you believe that landowners should have to visibly post their land in order for it to be off limits to hunting? Note that some states consider private land to be open if it is not visibly marked otherwise.44.8% said YES 49.2% said NO 5.9% said not sure Have you personally dealt with trespassing issues on private land that you own or have permission to hunt?74.1% said YES 25.8% said NO ABSURD...so nearly 3 out of 4 folks taking the survey have dealt with it....yet over half still trespassed themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 12:35:58 GMT -5
It's not just people. How about dogs running throughout the woods. This year I had 3 beagles running all morning and it happened on 1st three weekends in November. It seemed deliberate. Only time I've seen the dogs.
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 31, 2018 13:03:44 GMT -5
Speaking of dogs.....recently had a follower of even Small Acre Hunting bring up it is okay to trespass to recover their hunting dogs.....
As a landowner I would appreciate the recovery of the dogs OFF my property but not without my consent or knowledge. Trespassing is still trespassing no matter the shade or optic it is viewed through IMO.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 31, 2018 17:00:48 GMT -5
A court case or two has defined the parameters of retrieving hunting dogs.
The trespassing issue reminds me of a guy that used to come down to gold camp. I caught him and another guy there before and a very nice CO escorted him out.
He started coming after we opened up and I overheard him talking about building a battery operated backpack dredge. That way "he would know if there was gold to be found before he bothered the landowners about getting on there".
I had a brief conversation with my brother and he suggested the best course of action would be for him to make that his last trip to camp.
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 31, 2018 21:43:44 GMT -5
A court case or two has defined the parameters of retrieving hunting dogs. Care to elaborate on this? Or message me some cases?
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Post by firstwd on Jan 31, 2018 21:57:57 GMT -5
A court case or two has defined the parameters of retrieving hunting dogs. Care to elaborate on this? Or message me some cases? I'd have to look them up. I know one was very well publicized and the guy got felony charges for killing the dog. That's something most people don't realize. There is legislative law and case law that dictate what/how police enforce. We would get annual updates on legislative changes, and regula updates on case law.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 31, 2018 22:09:55 GMT -5
A court case or two has defined the parameters of retrieving hunting dogs. Care to elaborate on this? Or message me some cases? May ask hornzilla he was at the eye of the "Storm" in one well publicized case a few years ago I do believe.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 1, 2018 17:52:03 GMT -5
Guess a lot of people really believe in the old saying, better to ask for forgiveness then permission.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 2, 2018 8:59:25 GMT -5
hornzilla (seeing if this tags him for comment)
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Post by bill9068 on Jun 18, 2018 21:30:36 GMT -5
Saw where the purple paint law becomes law July 1st. In Indiana.
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Post by swindianapaul on Jun 18, 2018 21:52:37 GMT -5
Bottom line is that I can't fix stupid or too lazy to ask people. About 12 years ago I came home from work and found an SUV parked in my yard. They had pulled into my drive and turn parallel to hedge row fronting the county road. Less than 15 feet in front of the SUV was a...wait for it...."No Trespassing" sign! They were not game hunters, but mushroom hunters. Sorry Woody, but they had a Warrick County Plate to Boot!
No way was I going to go looking for them so I ran a logging chain through the wheels and padlocked them together. Hour or so later a knock at the door and low and behold, they want to know who locked their vehicle. I asked if they realized they were on private property. Nope, thought this was state land. I suggested the driveway, mailbox and house should give it away that it wasn't. Asked if I would remove the chain. Nope. Here is the County Sheriff's Cell Phone number and the COs home number. When one of them is here, I will remove it. btw...I attend church with the sheriff and teach shooting sports with the CO. The offer when the sheriff got there was ticket for trespassing or he could call a flatbed.
No matter how many times I have dealt with it, I just can't fix stupid or lazy. Trespassers will trespass no matter whether I have signs up or paint things purple. The good news is our judge hunts and had a trespasser hunting out of his stand about 15 years ago. Did not go well for the trespasser.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 19, 2018 7:10:46 GMT -5
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