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Post by moose1am on Oct 10, 2017 10:28:04 GMT -5
I once had a landowner meet me at my vehicle at dark after I'd spent the evening hunting on his property. He said that there was a gut shot deer on the other side of the farm and asked me to finish it off with my muzzleloader. I went with him, but refused to shoot it after dark. Instead, I ran it down and grabbed it by a rear leg, which resulted in the deer spinning all around me like a junebug on a string. I finally tackled it and slit its throat. It wasn't pretty, but I couldn't let it suffer anymore. I would never do that. A guy died a few years ago in Indiana trying to finish one with knife. I think it was a state park hunt. Sometimes you have to do the ethical thing and not necessarily the lawful thing. Many years ago I was hunting geese and my friend went over the limit because he got two with one shot. The bird was injured and couldn't fly. I went back later and finished it off because he wouldn't. Legal no, ethical yes. By the way I don't think there is a knife season so maybe that's illegal also. When I was around 12 or 13 we went on a camp out at Lincoln State Park with the Boy Scouts. It was Oct and a White Tail Buck chased everyone around the camp ground. We had to climb up trees to escape that silly thing. But there was no way I was going to go tackle a big buck with antlers like that. Those things can gore you to death and kick and stomp you when they get angry or upset. The Rut is not the time to be missing with deer unless you have a gun to shoot them with. PS: I don't hunt deer and stay well away from the fields and woods during gun season.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 10, 2017 10:55:55 GMT -5
Yeah, about 3 minutes of that was enough.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 10, 2017 13:02:42 GMT -5
Basically these two guys posted a video of a big buck they had shot. They came up on it and it was still alive they were dropping f bombs and laughing about it how "that mother trucker" is still alive etc. Then they put two arrows in it way after legal light with a flashlight. Just totally disrespectful and of course the pics they posted eventually were in the back of the truck beer cans all over the place. Hunter sticking out his tongue and posing like a teenage girl. All sounds petty but if you saw the video it would leave you shaking your head. They also would walk up pull it's head and laugh and carry on about how it was still moving....despicable. Utterly despicable.
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Post by beermaker on Oct 10, 2017 15:53:08 GMT -5
I once had a landowner meet me at my vehicle at dark after I'd spent the evening hunting on his property. He said that there was a gut shot deer on the other side of the farm and asked me to finish it off with my muzzleloader. I went with him, but refused to shoot it after dark. Instead, I ran it down and grabbed it by a rear leg, which resulted in the deer spinning all around me like a junebug on a string. I finally tackled it and slit its throat. It wasn't pretty, but I couldn't let it suffer anymore. I had a teacher in high school that tried this. I caught a hoof to the shin and was on crutches for a few days.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 10, 2017 17:52:45 GMT -5
I once had a landowner meet me at my vehicle at dark after I'd spent the evening hunting on his property. He said that there was a gut shot deer on the other side of the farm and asked me to finish it off with my muzzleloader. I went with him, but refused to shoot it after dark. Instead, I ran it down and grabbed it by a rear leg, which resulted in the deer spinning all around me like a junebug on a string. I finally tackled it and slit its throat. It wasn't pretty, but I couldn't let it suffer anymore. I had a teacher in high school that tried this. I caught a hoof to the shin and was on crutches for a few days. In my defense, it was an approximately 7-month old doe fawn. Now, the full-grown, still-full-of-fight doe that I strangled with my bare hands around 20 years ago is a different story altogether.
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Post by GS1 on Oct 10, 2017 19:14:44 GMT -5
It's not a bad page. If you look, most of the problems are caused by post shared from other pages that don't get much traffic. Usually the same guys sharing it and the same guys following along.
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Post by span870 on Oct 10, 2017 20:07:16 GMT -5
All I've ever done if you have one still alive is punture the lungs with your knife, they expire quickly and humanely. Thats assuming they aren't kicking and thrashing about. Came across a road killed doe while back that a lady just hit. Threw a coat over its head and did just that. Doe never jumped up or ran and just expired. Very sharp knife and put right between the ribs
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Post by omegahunter on Oct 10, 2017 20:08:00 GMT -5
Gross.. hopefully PETA didn't get ahold of it before it was removed.. It does raise a question.. if you shot a deer in the evening and found it and it wasn't dead do you: 1) Shoot it and kill it? 2) Back out and leave it until morning hoping it will be dead or if it isn't shoot it then? Quandary? I'd have to kill it quickly and put it's out of it's misery. I once had to leave a deer along the side of the highway in a ditch as I was late to work and the deer ran out in front of my company vehicle I was driving and hit the front of my vehicle. I was without any gun and late for a job and had to leave it there to die. If I had a gun I would have shot it in the head and put it away to ease it's pain. But I can still hear the bleeting of that deer when I think about this. You can't leave a wounded animal out there to die. That's wanton waste. I just hope that the IDNR CO's feel the same way and that I never have to make that type of decision. Never had to, but I have been told a CO will accompany you to finish one after shooting time if it is found still alive.
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Post by span870 on Oct 10, 2017 20:10:53 GMT -5
Basically these two guys posted a video of a big buck they had shot. They came up on it and it was still alive they were dropping f bombs and laughing about it how "that mother trucker" is still alive etc. Then they put two arrows in it way after legal light with a flashlight. Just totally disrespectful and of course the pics they posted eventually were in the back of the truck beer cans all over the place. Hunter sticking out his tongue and posing like a teenage girl. All sounds petty but if you saw the video it would leave you shaking your head. Gross.. hopefully PETA didn't get ahold of it before it was removed.. It does raise a question.. if you shot a deer in the evening and found it and it wasn't dead do you: 1) Shoot it and kill it? 2) Back out and leave it until morning hoping it will be dead or if it isn't shoot it then? Quandary? The same thing all of us on here would do if we are being honest with ourselves. Just wouldn't brag about it and sure as heck wouldn't post it to Facebook.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 10, 2017 21:43:32 GMT -5
It's not a bad page. If you look, most of the problems are caused by post shared from other pages that don't get much traffic. Usually the same guys sharing it and the same guys following along. Yep... They did the same thing on Indiana Outdoors...
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 11, 2017 4:47:03 GMT -5
greetings The law over here is if one comes across an injured deer, road casualty or otherwise, one can use whatever means at hand to end the animals suffering, and if that is a hammer or a tyre lever so be it. One may have to give a reason for your actions if an anti see's you, but that is the law. Roe deer i favour either shotgun or knife if on the hard road. sometimes i use the hornet with a light on the scope Bigger species on the road shotgun every time. i get called out from time to time. regards Billy
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Post by hornzilla on Oct 11, 2017 6:41:31 GMT -5
I will dispatch a suffering animal any time of day if need be. I will explain my actions to a LEO also if need be. If there is a report of a gun shot or arrow fired after hour. Please guys. Don't do hand to hand combat with a deer. They are very powerful. I have first hand experience with this. One morning on the way to work. I came up on a young lady that had hit a small 6 point buck. She was crying her eyes out, deer laying in center of the road. It was slowly breathing and not moving. I looked her car over. Mostly body damage. Still drivable. So I told her to head on home because she was about 2 miles from her house. She drives off and I decided to drag the buck off road to keep from having additional accident and dispatch it in ditch. I grabbed antler and started to move the buck when it lunges forward and catches the back of my jacket with his antler. Now in a flash I'm face down on the pavement with a very unhappy deer standing over me. He shakes his head a little and we are both free. I'm moving on my hands and knees as fast as I can. All the time thinking about the wrecks I have seen on the PBR. Luckily for me he staggered out of sign and into the dark.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 11, 2017 10:37:22 GMT -5
greetings The law over here is if one comes across an injured deer, road casualty or otherwise, one can use whatever means at hand to end the animals suffering, and if that is a hammer or a tyre lever so be it. One may have to give a reason for your actions if an anti see's you, but that is the law. Roe deer i favour either shotgun or knife if on the hard road. sometimes i use the hornet with a light on the scope Bigger species on the road shotgun every time. i get called out from time to time. regards Billy I haven't seen you post in a while, Billy. Good to see that you are still kicking.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 11, 2017 11:11:58 GMT -5
I finished a deer with a knife once. It made an awful bawling noise. An extra arrow or bullet is the way to go.
All this talk of hand to hand combat with deer reminded me of this old story:
I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in a stall, sweet feed it on corn for a few weeks, then butcher it and eat it. Yum! Corn-fed venison. The first step in this adventure was getting a deer.
Since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not have much fear of me (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck four feet away) it should not be difficult to rope one, toss a bag over its head to calm it down, then hog-tie it and transport it home.
I filled the cattle feeder and hid behind it with my rope. The cattle, having seen a roping or two before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it.
After 20 minutes, my deer showed up, 3 of them. I picked a likely looking one, stepped out, and threw my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me. I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell she was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation.
I took a step toward it. It took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope, and received an education. The first thing I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, it is spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope.
That deer EXPLODED.
The second thing I learned is that, pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range, I could fight down with some dignity. A deer? No chance.
That thing ran and bucked, it twisted and pulled. There was no controlling that deer, and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer firmly attached to a rope was not such a good idea. The only upside is that they do not have much stamina.
A brief ten minutes later it was tired, and not as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head.
At that point, I had lost my appetite for corn-fed venison. I hated the thing, and would hazard a guess that the feeling was mutual. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope. But if I let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painful somewhere.
Despite the gash in my head, and several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's pell-mell flight by bracing my head against large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in. I didn't want the deer to suffer a slow death.
I managed to get it lined up between my truck and the feeder, a little trap I had set beforehand, like a squeeze chute. I backed it in there, and I started moving forward to get my rope back.
Did you know that deer bite? They do!
I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite, so I was very surprised when I reached up there to grab hold of that rope, and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like a horse, it does not just bite and let go. A deer bites and shakes its head, like a pit bull. They bite HARD and won't let go. It hurts!
The proper reaction when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and wrenching away. My method was ineffective. It felt like that deer bit and shook me for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds.
I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now) tricked it. While I kept it busy tearing the bejesus out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I learned my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.
Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up and strike at head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned long ago that when a horse strikes at you with its hooves and you can't get away, the best thing to do is make a loud noise and move aggressively towards the animal. This will cause it to back down a bit, so you can make your escape.
This was not a horse. This was a deer. Obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and turned to run.
The reason we have been taught NOT to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer are not so different from horses after all, other than being twice as strong and three times as evil. The second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.
When a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately depart. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What it does instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you, while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.
I finally managed to crawl under the truck, and the deer went away. Now I know why people go deer hunting with a rifle and a scope. It's so they somewhat even the odds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 11:26:21 GMT -5
In 1989 I watch a buck and three does run down a hill to my stand. The neighbor and son spooked the dear coming down the other side of the valley. About 1/2 down the field hill a doe tried to pass the 8 pt buck. When the two were equal the buck turned his head the threw the doe 3 or 4 feet. Both were running at full speed while this happen. The best part, the buck hopped the fence, ran, then turned and stopped 10 yards in front of my stand. One shotgun shot is all it took. The neighbor and son heard my shot and came over. I said thanks for scaring them down to me.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 11, 2017 16:31:26 GMT -5
greetings The law over here is if one comes across an injured deer, road casualty or otherwise, one can use whatever means at hand to end the animals suffering, and if that is a hammer or a tyre lever so be it. One may have to give a reason for your actions if an anti see's you, but that is the law. Roe deer i favour either shotgun or knife if on the hard road. sometimes i use the hornet with a light on the scope Bigger species on the road shotgun every time. i get called out from time to time. regards Billy I haven't seen you post in a while, Billy. Good to see that you are still kicking. Still about and getting one of two my friend. Terrible rain here today around four inches poor folks that has lost there homes would of welcomed it a day or two ago I am thinking of them. Away to Midlands on Friday Stuart and I are shooting partridges in Lincolnshire on saturday. Other bit of news is i lost Ellie my old faithful dog last Saturday and a fantastic tracker and friend. I suspect she had a stroke during Friday night, I had to phone the vet and do the most horrible thing one has to do to stop an old canine friend suffering. Yes I'm missing her. But I have Bailey the Labrador she does well. So deer are slow here this month, we catch up with paperwork and meetings etc, lot of it being a government agency. Next week it is annual rifle test where we get checked for accuracy, think this may be my last one, I will see. I have done a bit of good among the fixes , the farmers think i am great , lol that's good because I can go almost where I want to hunt foxes. November the first we start on does. That's about it my friends. Hope my Alex Martin twenty bore still has straight barrels or i am going to get some stick from Stuart lol. Regards Billy
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Post by schall53 on Oct 11, 2017 17:16:19 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about Ellie.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 11, 2017 18:27:04 GMT -5
Yes, Billy, sorry as well hear about your beloved canine.
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