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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 9:29:15 GMT -5
What percentage of hunters do think this may effect? 20%? I would bet well over half of public land hunters. That would be some very crowded public land for sure! Wonder how many actuality use a rifle the tool in question!
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Post by js2397 on Oct 9, 2017 9:46:41 GMT -5
I would bet well over half of public land hunters. That would be some very crowded public land for sure! Wonder how many actuality use a rifle the tool in question! That was what I meant, I bet half of the people hunting on public land use a rifle and the other half use a shotgun or muzzleloader.
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Post by js2397 on Oct 9, 2017 9:48:41 GMT -5
IC 14-22-2-6Adoption of rules
Sec. 6. (a) The director shall adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to do the following:
(1) Establish, open, close, lengthen, suspend, or shorten seasons.
(2) Establish bag, sex, and size limits.
(3) Establish limitations on the numbers of hunters and fishermen.
(4) Establish the methods, means, and time of:
(A) taking, chasing, transporting, and selling; or
(B) attempting to take, transport, or sell;
wild animals or exotic mammals, with or without dogs, in Indiana or in a designated part of Indiana.
(5) Establish other necessary rules to do the following:
(A) Administer this chapter.
(B) Properly manage wild animals or exotic mammals in a designated water or land area of Indiana.
(6) Set aside and designate land or water or parts of the land or water owned, controlled, or under contract or acquired by the state for conservation purposes as a public hunting and fishing ground under the restrictions, conditions, and limitations that are determined to be appropriate.
(b) Rules:
(1) may be adopted only after thorough investigation; and
(2) must be based upon data relative to the following:
(A) The welfare of the wild animal.
(B) The relationship of the wild animal to other animals.
(C) The welfare of the people.
(c) Whenever the director determines that it is necessary to adopt rules, the director shall comply with the following:
(1) Rules must clearly describe and set forth any applicable changes.
(2) The director shall make or cause to be made a periodic review of the rules.
(3) A copy of each rule, as long as the rule remains in force and effect, shall be included and printed in each official compilation of the Indiana fish and wildlife law.
(d) The director may modify or suspend a rule for a time not to exceed one (1) year under IC 4-22-2-37.1.
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Post by stevein on Oct 9, 2017 9:49:20 GMT -5
I would bet well over half of public land hunters. That would be some very crowded public land for sure! Wonder how many actuality use a rifle the tool in question! It will affect me.
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Post by stevein on Oct 9, 2017 10:00:43 GMT -5
I think the DNR should just release all the names of the legislatures that made this asinine change...be the most epic and beautiful troll ever. HERE YOU GO.. House Bill 1231 Enrolled House Bill (H) Authored by Rep. Lloyd Arnold. Co-Authored by Rep. Steven Stemler, Rep. Sean Eberhart, Rep. Mike Aylesworth, Rep. Ronald Bacon, Rep. Sue Errington, Rep. Jim Lucas, Rep. Jeff Ellington, Rep. Alan Morrison, Rep. Dale DeVon, Rep. Wendy McNamara, Rep. Heath VanNatter. Sponsored by Sen. James Tomes, Sen. Mark Messmer, Sen. Brent Steele. House Bill 1415 Enrolled House Bill (H) Authored by Rep. Sean Eberhart. Co-Authored by Rep. Clyde Kersey, Rep. Lloyd Arnold, Rep. Sue Errington. Sponsored by Sen. Susan Glick, Sen. Mark Messmer, Sen. Karen Tallian.
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Post by tony on Oct 9, 2017 10:41:08 GMT -5
contacted Indiana DNR Law enforcement Disyrict 7 and asked about what weapons are legal in state park deer reduction hunts and their answer was "Check with the specific park management to confirm about their property." So I just got off the phone with Lincoln state park's asst' Mngr.and he said he still allows weapons under the PCR rule of .357 and larger and 1.16- 1.8 inch cartridge. I asked , So if I show up with my .44 mag rifle I won't be sent home ? and he said, No that would be fine.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 10:46:49 GMT -5
Call them back next week and ask again just to be on the safe side
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 9, 2017 11:10:51 GMT -5
So take a shotgun or muzzy. What's the big deal?? Small stuff.. always worrying about small stuff.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 9, 2017 11:23:36 GMT -5
I edited out my DNR part of my post! Sorry I shouldn't have included them. I was just upset and ran my mouth (fingers) before thinking! My apologies! No problems . you were justifiably upset..
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 9, 2017 11:25:02 GMT -5
I heard back from the DNR and they are aware of the problem and are working in a resolution this week. As soon as I know what it I'll post it here.
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Post by gilder on Oct 9, 2017 11:33:42 GMT -5
If muzzleloaders are allowed that would work for me. But still, there are many people that probably don't have one.
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Post by jjas on Oct 9, 2017 11:42:26 GMT -5
I heard back from the DNR and they are aware of the problem and are working in a resolution this week. As soon as I know what it I'll post it here. Thanks Woody! Looking forward to your post on the update!
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Post by gilder on Oct 9, 2017 11:44:59 GMT -5
Yes, thank you Woody!
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 11:50:37 GMT -5
I heard back from the DNR and they are aware of the problem and are working in a resolution this week. As soon as I know what it I'll post it here. Suprized you got a response today with it being a Gov. Hoiladay. Someone must be answering there emails from home.
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Post by 3ptbuck on Oct 9, 2017 11:52:31 GMT -5
So take a shotgun or muzzy. What's the big deal?? Small stuff.. always worrying about small stuff. Not really small stuff when it's the only gun you have available for a youth hunter(that has used the same weapon the previous 5 years). I'm not going to expect a 12 yo girl to shoot my 12ga. Personally I was going to upgrade to a better scope on her gun after being disappointed with it this past youth weekend. So now what are my choices? Go buy a new gun because of a glorified Typo or wait and cross my fingers and maybe still buy the scope last minute?
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Post by jackryan on Oct 9, 2017 12:04:03 GMT -5
Jack,
Cool it...
Thanks..
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Post by cindy on Oct 9, 2017 12:13:59 GMT -5
Thank You Woody!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 9, 2017 12:19:40 GMT -5
I heard back from the DNR and they are aware of the problem and are working in a resolution this week. As soon as I know what it I'll post it here. Suprized you got a response today with it being a Gov. Hoiladay. Someone must be answering there emails from home. Lot of localized government (county, city and state) offices don't have it off like in the past.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 15:22:28 GMT -5
So what changed from last year when HPR rounds where in place for private land and PCR's where legal for public land??
Here are the Two IC Code one from last year and this years IC Code....
2016 IC code
IC 14-22-2-8 Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for one (1) of the following cartridges: (A) .243. (B) .30-30. (C) .300. (D) .30-06. (E) .308. (4) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (5) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020.
2017 IC Code
C 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report
Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. (4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches. (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 9, 2017 17:25:17 GMT -5
So what changed from last year when HPR rounds where in place for private land and PCR's where legal for public land?? Here are the Two IC Code one from last year and this years IC Code.... 2016 IC code IC 14-22-2-8 Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.(2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for one (1) of the following cartridges: (A) .243. (B) .30-30. (C) .300. (D) .30-06. (E) .308. (4) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (5) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. 2017 IC Code C 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.(2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. (4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches. (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7. It's the same,they both say the use of a rifle is permitted only on private land. But they had it cleared up in the DNR regulations like it is this year. www.eregulations.com/indiana/hunting/deer-hunting/--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Centerfire RiflesRifles chambered for cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger, have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches, and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches are legal to use only during the deer firearms, youth, reduction zones from Nov. 18-Jan. 31 (in zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm), and special antlerless seasons. These rifle cartridges can be used on public and private land.Some cartridges legal for deer hunting include the .357 Magnum, .38-.40 Winchester, .41 Magnum, .41 Special, .44 Magnum, .44 Special, .44-.40 Winchester, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50 Action Express, .500 S&W, .460 Smith & Wesson, .450 Bushmaster, and .50 Beowulf. Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal. High-Powered RiflesA state law passed in 2016 that allowed certain rifle cartridges to be used for deer hunting on private land was amended earlier this year to allow additional cartridges. During the firearms, reduction zone from Nov. 18-Jan. 31 (in zones where local ordinances allow the use of firearms) and youth seasons, rifles with a minimum 16-inch barrel that fire cartridges meeting the following requirements may be used to hunt deer on private land only: cartridges that meet the following requirements may now be used to hunt deer on private land only seasons: The cartridge must have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 3 inches The cartridge must fire a bullet with a minimum diameter of .243 inches (same as 6 mm) A hunter must not possess more than 10 of these cartridges while hunting deer Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What exactly was changed (if anything) after the DNR regulations was put out is the question?? It appears to me that all this confusion was caused NOT BY CHANGING THE EXISTING IC CODE,but by rather somebody NOT POSTING ALL OF THE INFORMATION,at the DNR site or the Facebook DNR site or wherever it was. The IC code as far as I know,was just about the ADDITIONAL Cartridges and had nothing to do with the EXISTING cartridges. Am I missing something here?? Where in the IC codes does it talk about ALL THE WEAPONS allowed for deer season??
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