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Post by arlowe13 on Oct 8, 2017 18:51:10 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Oct 8, 2017 18:55:22 GMT -5
Here is IC code from last year also...It states the cartridges vs the new IC code
IC 14-22-2-8 Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land. (2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for one (1) of the following cartridges: (A) .243. (B) .30-30. (C) .300. (D) .30-06. (E) .308. (4) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section. (5) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 8, 2017 19:21:10 GMT -5
If you compare the old HPR bill, HB1231, to the new HPR bill, HB 1415, the wording around "The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land." is exactly the same, but this wasn't an issue last year. I wondered the exact same thing, but never compared the two bills.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 9, 2017 6:13:04 GMT -5
I've asked the Directors at the DNR about this subject. I'll let you all know when I hear back from them.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 6:24:00 GMT -5
I've asked the Directors at the DNR about this subject. I'll let you all know when I hear back from them. Looks like they missed it last year if you look at both Codes.
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Post by cindy on Oct 9, 2017 7:19:27 GMT -5
It wasn't an issue last year why now? Is there still a law that says PCR are legal on public land? Does this new law that was really on meant to affect HPR void the PCR law?
I'm an older woman the 12ga hurts me but I'll bite the bullet and tuff it out! I'm not buying a muzzleloader or 20ga. when I already have a Savage 210
BUT NEVER AGAIN will I buy my lisc. ahead of time. I'll wait till night before so these slicko's cant pull anymore bait and switch nonsense on me! The good people of Indiana are getting a royal screwing with this deal!
I'm beyond mad! I spent $1K on a what was a legal rifle that met PCR rules, scope and ammo! But I'll follow what ever I have to and be legal!
Being a non-res I don't know who to email an complain to. Maybe if someone would be so kind to post names and email addys we can flood there inboxes. This can be fixed easy if they will just do it. Possibly enough emails might get them to take action? Worth my time to try!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 9, 2017 7:40:23 GMT -5
We all know that pcr is legal and just because some politicians created a mess doesn't change a thing. It's their mess, let them clean it. False, if it stays as it is WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT LEGAL. By using a PCR without an emergency rule enacted or law changes you will be poaching. I get it, I find it asinine but I also realize 100% that would be poaching. What is the difference? IT AFFECTS MANY PEOPLE. I concur, it affects a bunch of folks and deserves clarity either in an emergency law or a press release stating this year they are illegal. I'm just curious to see if ML get included or not as that is when I go hunt public some. Since we all know that banning PCR's from public land was not the General Assembly's intention, the right thing for the DNR is to unofficially "overlook" any of those violations this season. I as well would love to see this, but for them to release a statement explaining this and expressing the fact this is why the DNR should be left to write the rules and regulations of hunting and fishing as designed. Legislatures should flat out stay out of game laws and this is a shining example of this. ---------------------------------------------------- My thoughts overall were touched on in my above last response. If there has ever been examples of why legislatures should stay out of game laws the last two years have been the incredible examples. I would personally like to know the exact legislatures that wrote this crap, screwed this crap up and THEY should have to admit their idiot nature IMO. Sad fact is though they do not care as non of this will impact their deep pockets or their deep pocketed friends that have private access no doubt.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 9, 2017 7:42:15 GMT -5
Looks like to me an outsider looking in DNR saw the wording and thought hey easy money. We can ticket the crap out of people make a bundle! It wasn't an issue last year why now? Is there still a law that says PCR are legal on public land? Does this new law that was really on meant to affect HPR void the PCR law? I'm an older woman the 12ga hurts me but I'll bite the bullet and tuff it out! I'm not buying a muzzleloader or 20ga. when I already have a Savage 210 BUT NEVER AGAIN will I buy my lisc. ahead of time. I'll wait till night before so these slicko's cant pull anymore bait and switch nonsense on me! The good people of Indiana are getting a royal screwing with this deal! I'm beyond mad! I spent $1K on a what was a legal rifle that met PCR rules, scope and ammo! But I'll follow what ever I have to and be legal! Being a non-res I don't know who to email an complain to. Maybe if someone would be so kind to post names and email addys we can flood there inboxes. This can be fixed easy if they will just do it. Possibly enough emails might get them to take action? Worth my time to try! Some here will attempt to get you names for sure. Thank you for respecting the game laws despite the anger which is justified. Some others could do well to digest your words on this matter. Kudos.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 9, 2017 7:43:18 GMT -5
Looks like to me an outsider looking in DNR saw the wording and thought hey easy money. We can ticket the crap out of people make a bundle! It wasn't an issue last year why now? Is there still a law that says PCR are legal on public land? Does this new law that was really on meant to affect HPR void the PCR law? I'm an older woman the 12ga hurts me but I'll bite the bullet and tuff it out! I'm not buying a muzzleloader or 20ga. when I already have a Savage 210 BUT NEVER AGAIN will I buy my lisc. ahead of time. I'll wait till night before so these slicko's cant pull anymore bait and switch nonsense on me! The good people of Indiana are getting a royal screwing with this deal! I'm beyond mad! I spent $1K on a what was a legal rifle that met PCR rules, scope and ammo! But I'll follow what ever I have to and be legal! Being a non-res I don't know who to email an complain to. Maybe if someone would be so kind to post names and email addys we can flood there inboxes. This can be fixed easy if they will just do it. Possibly enough emails might get them to take action? Worth my time to try! Cindy, I understand your frustration. One of the reasons I backed the PCRs was it was great for women and kids. I sent you a Private Message.
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Post by jjas on Oct 9, 2017 7:51:05 GMT -5
Looks like to me an outsider looking in DNR saw the wording and thought hey easy money. We can ticket the crap out of people make a bundle! It wasn't an issue last year why now? Is there still a law that says PCR are legal on public land? Does this new law that was really on meant to affect HPR void the PCR law? I'm an older woman the 12ga hurts me but I'll bite the bullet and tuff it out! I'm not buying a muzzleloader or 20ga. when I already have a Savage 210 BUT NEVER AGAIN will I buy my lisc. ahead of time. I'll wait till night before so these slicko's cant pull anymore bait and switch nonsense on me! The good people of Indiana are getting a royal screwing with this deal! I'm beyond mad! I spent $1K on a what was a legal rifle that met PCR rules, scope and ammo! But I'll follow what ever I have to and be legal! Being a non-res I don't know who to email an complain to. Maybe if someone would be so kind to post names and email addys we can flood there inboxes. This can be fixed easy if they will just do it. Possibly enough emails might get them to take action? Worth my time to try! Cameron Clark is the DNR director. His email address is cclark@dnr.in.gov He's heard from me about this situation.... BTW, I wouldn't expect a response today...It's Columbus day.
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Post by jjas on Oct 9, 2017 8:01:54 GMT -5
tynimiller
100% agree!
The DNR definitely needs to get on this right now. Whether that turns out to be an emergency order of some sort (if possible) or a clarification of EXACTLY what firearms are legal on public ground this season, it needs to be done ASAP.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 8:22:27 GMT -5
The DNR didn't make the RULE.... their just stuck enforceing it! Your really getting mad at the wrong people. The claritfaction has already been made read here www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htm Click on equipment and read.
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Post by jjas on Oct 9, 2017 8:34:22 GMT -5
The DNR didn't make the RULE.... their just stuck enforceing it! Your really getting mad at the wrong people. The claritfaction has already been made read here www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/7389.htm Click on equipment and read. The legislature isn't going to do anything @ this point, (but my representatives and the Governor received an email from me anyway) but perhaps the DNR can. As far as being "mad" @ the DNR, I'm not mad, but they could/should have caught this earlier and perhaps worked with the legislature OR @ the very least they (the DNR) could have let hunters know this WAYYYYY before now AND made sure the info in the hunting/trapping guide was correct before it was printed and distributed. As far as the clarification goes...I read it. Doesn't mean that gives everyone involved in this mess a pass IMO....
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 9, 2017 8:41:26 GMT -5
I think the DNR should just release all the names of the legislatures that made this asinine change...be the most epic and beautiful troll ever.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 9, 2017 8:43:24 GMT -5
What percentage of hunters do think this may effect? 20%?
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 9, 2017 8:45:42 GMT -5
What percentage of hunters do think this may effect? 20%? Far more than lowering antlerless quotas ever would LOL!!!!
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Post by jjas on Oct 9, 2017 8:49:29 GMT -5
What percentage of hunters do think this may effect? 20%? Doesn't matter. I don't hunt public ground @ all, but if I did, I would be p*ssed...Regardless, there's no way I'm not getting involved in this. It also potentially effects way more than 20% of hunters when you figure that the "sunset clause" for hprs, now includes pcrs. In the end, this shouldn't have happened. The legislature shouldn't have gotten involved but @ the very least they should have made sure what they were doing was done correctly. AND...the DNR should have tried to get it corrected, OR @ the very least made sure the info to hunters was out there LONG before the guide was printed AND certainly way before this year's youth season when apparently there were kids hunting and killing deer with illegal equipment on public ground...
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Post by js2397 on Oct 9, 2017 9:12:20 GMT -5
What percentage of hunters do think this may effect? 20%? I would bet well over half of public land hunters.
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Post by stevein on Oct 9, 2017 9:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by cindy on Oct 9, 2017 9:26:47 GMT -5
I edited out my DNR part of my post! Sorry I shouldn't have included them. I was just upset and ran my mouth (fingers) before thinking! My apologies!
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