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Post by firstwd on Oct 13, 2017 4:18:47 GMT -5
Me to. Didn't used to have all these "problems" I bet I hunted 20 years or more with out a rule change of any kind and the rules were the same every where in Indiana and the same for every one. No special diaper baby seasons, no special city boys, private, public, what ever. Shotgun, Muzzle loader, bow. Wow, that was easy. I'm ok with it. Even better if you could just go back and give a good smack to any one who says "But what about ..." or "If only..." This is so true. Why can't we just leave good enough alone? You are so right, too bad they didn't do that with the OBR.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 13, 2017 5:15:11 GMT -5
Throw in the fact that unless this mess is corrected...come June 2020 the legal use of ALL centerfire rifles on both public and private property sunsets. Will that happen? I don't know, but I won't be surprised if it ends up that way. Once the HPR law sunsets in 2020, the IAC for PCR's would still remain, and would thus re-legalize them if no action were to be taken to correct this current issue.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 13, 2017 5:55:34 GMT -5
Got an email last night from Atterbury stating the same massage, no rifles at all this year.
I saw the news was interviewing Legislators about the issue and they want to try to figure out if they can fix it short term before the January session where they can fix it correctly.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 13, 2017 6:19:08 GMT -5
Eberhart issues an "OOOOOOOPPPSS!"
From fox 59
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. –A state lawmaker is now admitting a mistake was made that has led to a lot of confusion and anger from Indiana deer hunters. New regulations prohibit hunters from using any kind of rifle to hunt deer on public property, like state parks. But the author of the bill that caused this said that was never the intention.
Republican State Representative Sean Eberhart (Shelbyville) authored House Bill 1415, which is at the heart of the confusion.
“First of all, it was something that nobody caught when the bill was first passed,” said Eberhart.
In 2016, rifles could be used on public land only when they shot pistol rounds, but high velocity ammunition could be used on private property. This year, lawmakers changed the existing law to clarify the rules regarding high velocity rounds.
“The intent of the change was to make it more clear on what high velocity rifle rounds you could use on private property,” said Eberhart, “when that change was made, it inadvertently pulled in the pistol rounds as well [and] unfortunately the law now says that you can use those high velocity and pistol rounds in a rifle, but only on private grounds.”
That oversight has left deer hunters unhappy. Many outfitters and gun stores we spoke to on the phone said they’re getting calls from angry and confused hunters.
When questioned how neither he nor any of the law co-signers caught the oversight before it was voted on, Eberhart responded, “That’s a good question, not only did we not catch it as myself or any other legislator, LSA didn’t catch it, no other department didn’t catch it, DNR didn’t catch it, so we had a lot of eyes on this bill and no one caught that inadvertent change.”
In light of that, Eberhart hopes to fix the problem soon. “I’m very confident we can address it come session time in January…but it’s my hope that we can address it short term as well,” said Eberhart.
What that short term fix could be and whether it can happen fast enough for this season, which starts November 18th, isn’t clear. But Eberhart reiterated that he and his fellow lawmakers are working on a solution.
“I don’t think there’s an apology…unfortunately this happens when you have unintended consequences,” said Eberhart, “you know I’ve been a proponent of our hunters and our fishermen since day one.”
DNR would not comment on the issue; however, it did release guidelines covering the new rules and posted updated information regarding recent legislation that affects the use of rifles during deer hunting season.
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Post by jjas on Oct 13, 2017 7:34:57 GMT -5
Throw in the fact that unless this mess is corrected...come June 2020 the legal use of ALL centerfire rifles on both public and private property sunsets. Will that happen? I don't know, but I won't be surprised if it ends up that way. Once the HPR law sunsets in 2020, the IAC for PCR's would still remain, and would thus re-legalize them if no action were to be taken to correct this current issue. I hope you are correct, but I'm not counting on it and will be asking questions until this mess is cleaned up...
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Post by Squealy on Oct 13, 2017 9:36:47 GMT -5
It's not about 300 yards rifle, it's about forcing many hunters use something they don't have right before the season starts. EXACTLY.
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Post by Squealy on Oct 13, 2017 9:44:26 GMT -5
Eberhart issues an "OOOOOOOPPPSS!" “First of all, it was something that nobody caught when the bill was first passed,” said Eberhart. In 2016, rifles could be used on public land only when they shot pistol rounds, but high velocity ammunition could be used on private property. This year, lawmakers changed the existing law to clarify the rules regarding high velocity rounds. The language of the law in 2016 and 2017 are exactly the same. The difference between 16 and 17 was in 16 they only allowed 5 very specific calibers, in 17 the change the calibers to be much broader. What that short term fix could be and whether it can happen fast enough for this season, which starts November 18th, isn’t clear. But Eberhart reiterated that he and his fellow lawmakers are working on a solution. I believe that they can fix it fairly easily, they just don't want to......
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Post by jjas on Oct 13, 2017 9:48:50 GMT -5
Hopefully they can fix it before season, but I'd be shocked if they would do that based on the fact they've been running stories in the papers and on the local news about the change for the last few days.
Talk about confusion!
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Post by Squealy on Oct 13, 2017 9:57:16 GMT -5
Hopefully they can fix it before season, but I'd be shocked if they would do that They don't want to fix it, because if they wanted to fix it, they ALREADY would have.....
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Post by saddlemaster on Oct 13, 2017 9:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 13, 2017 10:16:50 GMT -5
Eberhart issues an "OOOOOOOPPPSS!" From fox 59 INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. –A state lawmaker is now admitting a mistake was made that has led to a lot of confusion and anger from Indiana deer hunters. New regulations prohibit hunters from using any kind of rifle to hunt deer on public property, like state parks. But the author of the bill that caused this said that was never the intention. Republican State Representative Sean Eberhart (Shelbyville) authored House Bill 1415, which is at the heart of the confusion. “First of all, it was something that nobody caught when the bill was first passed,” said Eberhart. In 2016, rifles could be used on public land only when they shot pistol rounds, but high velocity ammunition could be used on private property. This year, lawmakers changed the existing law to clarify the rules regarding high velocity rounds. “The intent of the change was to make it more clear on what high velocity rifle rounds you could use on private property,” said Eberhart, “when that change was made, it inadvertently pulled in the pistol rounds as well [and] unfortunately the law now says that you can use those high velocity and pistol rounds in a rifle, but only on private grounds.” That oversight has left deer hunters unhappy. Many outfitters and gun stores we spoke to on the phone said they’re getting calls from angry and confused hunters. When questioned how neither he nor any of the law co-signers caught the oversight before it was voted on, Eberhart responded, “That’s a good question, not only did we not catch it as myself or any other legislator, LSA didn’t catch it, no other department didn’t catch it, DNR didn’t catch it, so we had a lot of eyes on this bill and no one caught that inadvertent change.” In light of that, Eberhart hopes to fix the problem soon. “I’m very confident we can address it come session time in January…but it’s my hope that we can address it short term as well,” said Eberhart. What that short term fix could be and whether it can happen fast enough for this season, which starts November 18th, isn’t clear. But Eberhart reiterated that he and his fellow lawmakers are working on a solution. “I don’t think there’s an apology…unfortunately this happens when you have unintended consequences,” said Eberhart, “you know I’ve been a proponent of our hunters and our fishermen since day one.” DNR would not comment on the issue; however, it did release guidelines covering the new rules and posted updated information regarding recent legislation that affects the use of rifles during deer hunting season. I asked the DNR if Eberhart's short term fix was possible and they said "I’m not sure. Hopefully we will hear about that today." So maybe something is in the works?
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Post by jjas on Oct 13, 2017 10:32:52 GMT -5
Woody Williams
The right thing to do would be to correct what they have admitted is an error....
Will they or can they?
I hope so.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 13, 2017 10:37:06 GMT -5
Talk about confusion.... if they fix it now there have to get the media to reverse what they are saying now!
And the drama continues......
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Post by budga82832 on Oct 13, 2017 10:44:42 GMT -5
Not worried about the drama, just fix the problem before Nov 18th. We see drama and lies all the time anymore anyway. I think everyone is used to that.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 13, 2017 10:45:15 GMT -5
Got an email last night from Atterbury stating the same massage, no rifles at all this year. I saw the news was interviewing Legislators about the issue and they want to try to figure out if they can fix it short term before the January session where they can fix it correctly. Herd though grapevine that SEPAC is going to do the same "NO RIFLES "
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Post by greghopper on Oct 13, 2017 10:48:45 GMT -5
Not worried about the drama, just fix the problem before Nov 18th. We see drama and lies all the time anymore anyway. I think everyone is used to that. Needs fixed before Nov 18.... there is public Draw hunts before then! The drama continues.....
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Post by firstwd on Oct 13, 2017 16:23:42 GMT -5
Got an email last night from Atterbury stating the same massage, no rifles at all this year. I saw the news was interviewing Legislators about the issue and they want to try to figure out if they can fix it short term before the January session where they can fix it correctly. Herd though grapevine that SEPAC is going to do the same "NO RIFLES " Unless it has changed in the last 2 days, they are going with no HPR, the original PCR are legal.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 13, 2017 17:35:54 GMT -5
Stay tuned.....
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 13, 2017 18:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by jackryan on Oct 13, 2017 19:20:36 GMT -5
Eberhart issues an "OOOOOOOPPPSS!" From fox 59 INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. –A state lawmaker is now admitting a mistake was made that has led to a lot of confusion and anger from Indiana deer hunters. New regulations prohibit hunters from using any kind of rifle to hunt deer on public property, like state parks. But the author of the bill that caused this said that was never the intention. Republican State Representative Sean Eberhart (Shelbyville) authored House Bill 1415, which is at the heart of the confusion. “First of all, it was something that nobody caught when the bill was first passed,” said Eberhart. In 2016, rifles could be used on public land only when they shot pistol rounds, but high velocity ammunition could be used on private property. This year, lawmakers changed the existing law to clarify the rules regarding high velocity rounds. “The intent of the change was to make it more clear on what high velocity rifle rounds you could use on private property,” said Eberhart, “when that change was made, it inadvertently pulled in the pistol rounds as well [and] unfortunately the law now says that you can use those high velocity and pistol rounds in a rifle, but only on private grounds.” That oversight has left deer hunters unhappy. Many outfitters and gun stores we spoke to on the phone said they’re getting calls from angry and confused hunters. When questioned how neither he nor any of the law co-signers caught the oversight before it was voted on, Eberhart responded, “That’s a good question, not only did we not catch it as myself or any other legislator, LSA didn’t catch it, no other department didn’t catch it, DNR didn’t catch it, so we had a lot of eyes on this bill and no one caught that inadvertent change.” In light of that, Eberhart hopes to fix the problem soon. “I’m very confident we can address it come session time in January…but it’s my hope that we can address it short term as well,” said Eberhart. What that short term fix could be and whether it can happen fast enough for this season, which starts November 18th, isn’t clear. But Eberhart reiterated that he and his fellow lawmakers are working on a solution. “I don’t think there’s an apology…unfortunately this happens when you have unintended consequences,” said Eberhart, “you know I’ve been a proponent of our hunters and our fishermen since day one.” DNR would not comment on the issue; however, it did release guidelines covering the new rules and posted updated information regarding recent legislation that affects the use of rifles during deer hunting season. How could they NOT catch it? That's easy. THEY ARE NOT HUNTERS, THEY DON'T HUNT, THEY DON'T CARE OR GIVE A FLIP ABOUT HUNTING OR HUNTERS beyond the money and votes coming it from it.
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