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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 6, 2017 16:21:48 GMT -5
This question causes many to reject God.
Personally, I'm afraid to ask Him. I accept all his ways as I know that he is just in all he does. Who am I to question Him? Job questioned God and desired to plead his case before him. Was Job a good man? The Bible tells us that Job was the most righteous man in the land. Job got the tongue lashing of all history for asking why? God did not apologize to Job. God told Job's friends that Job was right in all that he said, but God felt himself just in allowing it.
Do we say that God didn't actually do these things to Job to make God look good in our eyes? Yes, it was Satan that caused the destruction, death and sickness, but it was God who allowed it and actually suggested it. For fear of getting that same tongue lashing, I accept it all.
Job was a good man, but God did allow all his children to be killed. Is this justice in the eyes of man? God put Job, the most righteous man, in his place. Who are you mortal man? Can you number the stars in the sky or put them in their place. Where were you when I created the foundations of all created?
We are but mere mortals, the created. Who are we to question him? His thoughts are beyond our understanding.
Let's look at Jeremiah. Jeremiah also, as Job, cursed the day he was born. He was persecuted for speaking the words of the Lord.
Jeremiah 20:7-18 7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.
8 For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the Lord was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily.
9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
10 For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him.
11 But the Lord is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten.
12 But, O Lord of hosts, that triest the righteous, and seest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I opened my cause.
13 Sing unto the Lord, praise ye the Lord: for he hath delivered the soul of the poor from the hand of evildoers.
14 Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.
15 Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad.
16 And let that man be as the cities which the Lord overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide;
17 Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.
18 Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?
This man suffered for doing right. I ask the question to you, "Who are the good that bad would come upon them?"
When we speak of good people, we see the good in our human eyes. We know no one's heart, but God alone.
Are these good people really good in the eyes of God? I do not know.
Bad has certainly come upon me, but I deserved every bit of it. Have I suffered without just cause? I don't know and I don't care. I know what I really deserve, so how can I question the Lord?
Hasn't God allowed and sent his own Son to suffer unjustly for our own sake, the Just for the unjust? Who are we to question?
If we know him, we love Him. We accept his ways and know that all things work for good for those who love him and abide by his will.
I will never forget the answer he gave me in my time of questioning, "What is it to you?! I am worthy of your praise."
This causes me to never question him again. I am afraid of him for good reasons, and this fear is the beginning of wisdom. Sometimes there is wisdom in being silent and not questioning.
Actually, God answered Jeremiah's question as why bad things happen to good people, but I didn't understand it. It was beyond me, so I just accept it.
Yes, we all know people who are good people in the eyes of man, but were anyone of these people the most righteous in the entire world? Probably not, but God allowed and suggested worse to come upon that man named Job. How can we question?
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Post by jackryan on Aug 6, 2017 20:16:05 GMT -5
Man that's a lot to worry over all in one post.
Sometimes people just worry too much and need to just chill out a little.
If you REALLY believe in God. If you REALLY believe God is good. Then all things become easy.
Ask YOUR SELF "what job does God give me?" REALLY just ask your self. If God gave you a job, don't you think He will make sure you know what it is and what He wants you to do?
I do.
Ask your self this honest question and then give yourself an HONEST answer. I bet you don't have to think about it very long.
Let God take care of God's work and just worry your self over you own job. If God WANTS you to succeed, nothing and no one can stop you. If He don't, then NOTHING you can do or try is going to get it done.
I know this doesn't have a lot of scriptural support and quotes backing up my opinion or suggestions, but I KNOW I believe every word is absolute fact.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 7, 2017 3:44:12 GMT -5
I read and believe, but do not understand what it has to do with what I wrote.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 7, 2017 5:32:19 GMT -5
Basically, all I have said is that whatever he does or allows is okay with me without question or worry. If he feel justified to allow and suggest to a point where the most righteous curses the day they were born, who am I to complain about anything that comes to me?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 7:43:27 GMT -5
I don't fear the Lord, I try every moment to spiritually love the Lord. I respect the all might power and forgiveness. Fear is a lower form of sin and a weakness of mankind.
Isaiah 12:2: Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” The promise: God is supremely strong. Because God has saved me from death, because He gives me strength.
Isaiah 8:11-12: The Lord spoke to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people. He said: “Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.”
I think there are a couple dozen scriptures about fear. Do not fear the death of body, but rejoice for the day our Spirit is raised from our body.
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Post by jackryan on Aug 7, 2017 11:04:37 GMT -5
I read and believe, but do not understand what it has to do with what I wrote. Must not then. Peace be with you. Live long and prosper.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 7, 2017 15:05:11 GMT -5
Bad things happen to good people because new testament and bad luck. You can't make any sense of it. In the old testament God had a major role in what happened to certain people.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 7, 2017 15:11:51 GMT -5
I don't fear the Lord, I try every moment to spiritually love the Lord. I respect the all might power and forgiveness. Fear is a lower form of sin and a weakness of mankind. Isaiah 12:2: Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation.” The promise: God is supremely strong. Because God has saved me from death, because He gives me strength. Isaiah 8:11-12: The Lord spoke to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people. He said: “Do not call conspiracy everything that these people call conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it.” I think there are a couple dozen scriptures about fear. Do not fear the death of body, but rejoice for the day our Spirit is raised from our body. Hi Tom, the fear you write about is the fear of man or things that could happen to you. The fear that I talk about is the fear of the Lord. Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Here in Jeremiah they forsook the the Lord, because they did not fear him. Jeremiah 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord God of hosts. These verses in Jeremiah are God's words spoken to and through Jeremiah the prophet. Jeremiah 5:22 Fear ye not me? saith the Lord: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it? Jeremiah 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest. Jeremiah 26:19 Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the Lord, and besought the Lord, and the Lord repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls. Acts 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God; He tells us we should fear him and I do for good reason.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 7, 2017 15:15:41 GMT -5
I read and believe, but do not understand what it has to do with what I wrote. Must not then. Peace be with you. Live long and prosper. Hi Jack, I appreciate your participation in this discussion. Help me understand what my job with the Lord has to do with what I wrote. I'm Jon Snow remember who knows nothing. The only fear or worry that I would have in doing what the Lord tells me is to not do it at all like Jonah. He absolutely will let me know what I'm to do even if he just tells me one step at a time.
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Post by jackryan on Aug 7, 2017 20:13:33 GMT -5
Must not then. Peace be with you. Live long and prosper. Hi Jack, I appreciate your participation in this discussion. Help me understand what my job with the Lord has to do with what I wrote. I'm Jon Snow remember who knows nothing. The only fear or worry that I would have in doing what the Lord tells me is to not do it at all like Jonah. He absolutely will let me know what I'm to do even if he just tells me one step at a time. Jon I didn't read every single word. I read the first paragraph or two, a scripture or two, scanned the rest and it seemed to me like a lot of worry. I'm not a preacher. Honestly, I don't buy in to preachers too much. I'm just a plain old believer and I've had my own doubting times. I've had my own worries. I AM a worrier, and a planner, and a fixer. That's my nature. I'm a you work hard, do your job, you get your due, kind of guy. Life isn't always like that. And I don't like that it's not like that. God taught me a lesson about that and it seemed to fit, but that was just a little more than a hip shot in the dark. I could be wrong, I don't claim to be an expert and I'd NEVER EVER propose to speak for God, what He wants, or suggests to any one else. If it seems to you that "Whut? Another Jackism from WTH?" Then I probably took the wrong impression. That's all. I probably considered it all for about 30 seconds before I had the general thesis for what I was going to write. I believe if God wants somebody to know something, they are gonna know it if they want to or not and they don't need some internet preacher to interpret for them. I believe if God wants something done it's gonna get done, if He is with you on a project, nothing can stop you but you. If He is NOT with you, then it ain't gonna a happen. I have no idea at all if any of that fits your original post.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 8, 2017 14:46:19 GMT -5
Hi Jack, I appreciate your participation in this discussion. Help me understand what my job with the Lord has to do with what I wrote. I'm Jon Snow remember who knows nothing. The only fear or worry that I would have in doing what the Lord tells me is to not do it at all like Jonah. He absolutely will let me know what I'm to do even if he just tells me one step at a time. Jon I didn't read every single word. I read the first paragraph or two, a scripture or two, scanned the rest and it seemed to me like a lot of worry. I'm not a preacher. Honestly, I don't buy in to preachers too much. I'm just a plain old believer and I've had my own doubting times. I've had my own worries. I AM a worrier, and a planner, and a fixer. That's my nature. I'm a you work hard, do your job, you get your due, kind of guy. Life isn't always like that. And I don't like that it's not like that. God taught me a lesson about that and it seemed to fit, but that was just a little more than a hip shot in the dark. I could be wrong, I don't claim to be an expert and I'd NEVER EVER propose to speak for God, what He wants, or suggests to any one else. If it seems to you that "Whut? Another Jackism from WTH?" Then I probably took the wrong impression. That's all. I probably considered it all for about 30 seconds before I had the general thesis for what I was going to write. I believe if God wants somebody to know something, they are gonna know it if they want to or not and they don't need some internet preacher to interpret for them. I believe if God wants something done it's gonna get done, if He is with you on a project, nothing can stop you but you. If He is NOT with you, then it ain't gonna a happen. I have no idea at all if any of that fits your original post. Thank you Jack! I do appreciate your participation, and hearing any thoughts that you have. I don't expect people to agree with me. I do expect people to think that I'm crazy, but this is all okay with me. It's more important to me that people express what is on their minds. Jack, if you read these posts much, you know few people read them let alone comment on them. Often I feel like I'm shooting in the dark, but this is just a human reaction. God says that his word will never turn up void. I don't need to know what he's going to do with anything ...what is it to me? Jack, I can certainly see why you wouldn't care much for preachers. They are just humans too, and WAY TOO MANY have caused great harm to the ministry of Christ. Many churches are just big social clubs lacking the power of the Holy Spirit. This is very burdensome to me. Actually, it's probably the most burdensome thing to me, because of Matthew chapter 7. I fear for these people and want so badly to be used to open the eyes of some. Jack, yes we are taught to not forsake the assembly of ourselves together, and for good reason, but I certainly see why people don't. However, it is easier for any predator to successfully attack a lone prey. We just need to walk more carefully and closely to our Lord daily. Seriously Jack, I usually go to bed filled with the Spirit of the Lord. He is on my mind all day, but when I wake in the morning, I feel dull and void of any rational thought until I get some coffee in me. This actually bothers me. I must renew my spirit in His everyday and as soon as possible. Jesus told Peter that Satan desired to sift him like wheat. This is what waits for us daily; they never sleep waiting for an opportunity to attack. This is a spiritual reality. Again, thank you for reading and commenting! Above all, accept and cling to the shed blood of Jesus that washes our sins away. There is not enough good things that we can to do it on our own. He is the only acceptable sacrifice. James 2:19 (NKJV) You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! I ask people, but often do not put them on the spot for an answer, because this question is in no way a litmus test for salvation. However, it's one we need honestly ask ourselves. If I were to stand before God and He asks, "Why should I let you into my kingdom?" Jack, he won't have to ask anyone this; he knows. The MANY Jesus spoke of mentioned all the good things that they had done. No matter what had come out of their mouths, God knew their heart and knew that he had never known them. One must recognize that he/she falls short of the glory of God due to sin that we all have. One must believe that God sent his only Son Jesus to die as a perfect sacrifice for all who will accept it. Accept it. The Roman road is a great place to confirm these things. People will ask me about future sin. I tell them that if they truly ask God to save them in their heart and confess it with their mouth, that God will work that sin out of their lives. Hey, I sin everyday, and I know that I work very hard to depend on the Holy Spirit to keep me from it. I battle everyday. I hate it! I cannot do it without him, and yet still fail. This is why we need the shed blood of Jesus to keep us. Thank you again Jack. I really do appreciate you.
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Post by jackryan on Aug 8, 2017 22:49:51 GMT -5
Thank God no one ever asks me about future sin.
I've got all I can handle one day at a time.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 9, 2017 6:23:29 GMT -5
Thank God no one ever asks me about future sin. I've got all I can handle one day at a time. Almost daily I thank God for forgiving my sins AND ask Him to continue to forgive my sins as I know I sin daily..
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 9, 2017 8:03:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this story once, but...
A preacher came over to our house from a church that we want to join. He just wanted to get to know us, and hear our testimonies. I mentioned that I knew that I would sin again.
Well, that Sunday, I was the topic of his sermon. He absolutely could not believe that someone who was a Christian would say that they knew they would sin again. He emphasized again, "...and this guy was a Christian???"
Needless to say, I wasn't happy, and SHOCKED that he didn't realize the condition of his heart. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.
It is so very difficult to honestly look at our hearts. All sin originates in the heart, and the Bible tells us that our hearts are wicked ...and always will be as long as we are in this body. I so desire to be perfect in this flesh, and work hard at it depending on the Holy Spirit's help, but I am human!
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Post by jackryan on Aug 9, 2017 11:58:00 GMT -5
I'm shocked enough about the things I do.
What other people do, say or thing don't shock me much any more. I generally make an effort to not even thing about it.
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