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Post by featherduster on Aug 2, 2017 7:38:07 GMT -5
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 2, 2017 7:48:41 GMT -5
I guess the answer is that it was illegal. I know there are people in places who live a subsistence lifestyle, and still obey the laws. The animal may have died anyway, but it wasn't given the chance.
For me, I'm not going to throw any stones at them, and it doesn't appear that any of it went to waste.
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Post by esshup on Aug 2, 2017 8:48:49 GMT -5
I agree with Jon. Should they be punished? In my mind, no. If it wasn't utilized I would sing a different tune. A few are allowed to be harvested in Russia, so possibly mistakenly taking that one here won't decimate the population. How is (possibly) mis identifying it and taking it any different than one getting tangled up in a commercial fisherman's net and dying?
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Post by bill9068 on Aug 2, 2017 8:51:13 GMT -5
Hard one to call, on one side they apparently need the meat, on the other side its a protected animal. Sounds like a lot of people shot at it so who gets charged for poaching? I say give them a warning and let it go.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 2, 2017 8:58:15 GMT -5
I'm with Jon as well - man, more than one of us is saying that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 9:21:27 GMT -5
The article does not say. Is there a gray whale exception writing in the native indigenous residents documents and or native laws. I bet not. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration does not have rights over them. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration should have not let the whale enter their protected fishing area. (LOL). The native Alaskans should press charges that their National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration whale ate their fish in the river. Cheers for the successful hunt and sharing of the reward! A gift from their God.
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Post by hornzilla on Aug 2, 2017 13:47:17 GMT -5
I'm OK with it as long as all of them were only shooting PCR, not those big bore dangerous high powered rifles.
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Post by bullseye69 on Aug 2, 2017 14:33:18 GMT -5
Its not working, the link that is.
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Post by featherduster on Aug 2, 2017 15:21:57 GMT -5
Worked for me just a minute ago.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 2, 2017 15:25:57 GMT -5
Yeah, link worky. I find it hard to get all butt hurt over a native people that survive off of what the ocean can provide them killing one whale that is off limits. Spend a day in their shoes.
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Post by span870 on Aug 2, 2017 19:56:06 GMT -5
If it's illegal, it's illegal. What if guy gets busted poaching deer but "to feed his family"? Same that are okay with this, okay with that? What if it was a 180" deer. Don't think the tune would be the same. I have zero issue with native people harvesting whatever game they are allowed under substinance hunting rules. A law was broke here, a federal law. How punishment should be dealt, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 20:29:57 GMT -5
Here is the issue. The gray whale are protected per the Marine Mammal Protection Act while in the oceans surrounding the United States.
Predators of the gray whale are sharks, humans and killer whales. The whales are currently threatened by entanglement in fishing nets, collisions with ships, pollution and noise in the ocean. The population of the eastern north pacific gray whales is estimated at about 26,000 which has been enough of a recovery to take them off the endangered status in 1994. However the western north pacific gray whales are not doing as well with only about 100 animals left. All are now protected under the Marine Mammal Protection Act while in the oceans surrounding the United States.
The whale was not in an ocean. Alaskans should win this case. No protection in fresh waters.
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Post by nfalls116 on Aug 2, 2017 20:41:09 GMT -5
Well.... I just can't justify the killing of this whale by Native American people driving atvs. If you want to live and have rules of indigenous people then do it but don't go half and half. If you want to kill whales and live in igloos fine if you want to use our technology then you have to follow our rules. No different than Cletus killing a buck "just for the meat" to me.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Aug 2, 2017 20:50:00 GMT -5
On the one hand, I don't think their ethnicity should play any role in whether they're charged with a crime or not. I'm sure I'd be charged if I shot it and loaded up my Ranger with whale blubber.
On the flip side, if the whale was likely to die anyway, I'd also consider it almost a sin to let all that meat go to waste when there are hundreds of folks who could benefit from it.
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Post by jb1069 on Aug 3, 2017 8:25:37 GMT -5
If it's illegal, it's illegal. What if guy gets busted poaching deer but "to feed his family"? Same that are okay with this, okay with that? What if it was a 180" deer. Don't think the tune would be the same. I have zero issue with native people harvesting whatever game they are allowed under substinance hunting rules. A law was broke here, a federal law. How punishment should be dealt, I don't know. I couldn't agree more! Don't use your personal way of life to skate around the laws.
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Post by onebentarrow on Aug 3, 2017 11:55:34 GMT -5
Well a law was broken so it was wrong. Here is the thing. It was a white mans law,put in place because of White mans stupidly and greed for Killing all the whales. As I have found, read and watched information on native people it appears that MOST of the native people in North and West Alaska still have a high regard for nature and the land and do not take more than they need. And do not take to be greedy and sell. Unlike some of the natives in the lower 48's. A prime example of that is the natives in MN that spere whiteman stalked wallie on the beds with 1,000,000,000 candle power lights and 30,000 dollar boats to sell at market to make money. Or the ones that shoot deer just to shoot them. They do not have the respect for nature or the land. They are white men of old (greedy and stupid) only with different skin color and with the new white mans laws for whitemen the abbility to out fish and hunt the Whiteman and over fish and hunt the resorce. As for them using(new fangled equipment in there indever) if i was handy caped and used an atv to go to the woods and kill my deer that is exceptable. If i killed more than I should it becomes unacceptable. Same with natives for me. If they are going to harvest a leagle whale (with in the white mans law) why should I force them to use wooden canoes with the greater prospect of death to them and the loss of a wounded whale. It is the stupid and lazy people in the population that use the new equipment to OVER harvest that are the problem. Just like the whiteman poachers that kill numerous bucks for the horns or hunt park land or bear to sell gall bladers Not the ones that respect the land and the animals. Was it wrong. Yes. Could I punish thoes indivegles in THIS case? No! I know laws are written to protect the innocent,weather it be human,animal or fish from the stupid,greedy and noncompassionate people. But i feel that each case should be judged on its merrets not on a 0 tollerance issue. Remember what 0 tolerance has gotten us in schools(a kid getting kicked out for DRAWING [with paper and pincle] a gun). This is my opinion. I try to be open minded and look at ALL sides of an incident. If i think some thing is totally wrong I will stand bu my principals. If it falls in to a moral or ethical range. I will try to be strong but compassionate. If it falls with in the law but not my beliefs I will voice my opinion but will except the outcome (Even tho I disagree)
Sorry about the long read. Some things can not be said in one paragraph
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Post by esshup on Aug 3, 2017 12:13:08 GMT -5
Onebentarrow, I'm 110% in agreement with you.
"The whale meat is especially appreciated in the region this year. Much of the subsistence salmon was ruined by heavy rains that prevented the fish from drying properly for preservation of the meat, Napaskiak tribal administrator Sharon Williams said."
If people here in Indiana were in the same circumstances, they would have done the same thing. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
I'll bet not very many who responded to the OP knows what food costs up there, and just how little $$ the people make who are living the subsistence lifestyle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 12:57:02 GMT -5
No protection laws where broken. The Marine Mammal Protection Act only protects the whale in the oceans. I read the Marine Mammal Protection Act yesterday. It is clearly stated as an ocean protection along the shores of the US. The Marine Mammal Protection Act does not pertain to international ocean waters. You need to read the Act. Once again an anti-hunter article without the facts.
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Post by esshup on Aug 10, 2017 20:23:59 GMT -5
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Post by featherduster on Aug 11, 2017 4:12:19 GMT -5
I don't know if this was right or wrong but..........I can see Humpback on the Buffet menu.
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