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Post by greghopper on Jul 18, 2017 19:55:28 GMT -5
I don't know of much edible stuff that goes into a freezer that isn't "processed".. I do believe this regulation was changed a few years back or maybe just clarified.. I'm thinking several years ago this was a huge issue. I seem to remember several arguments about it not being clarified. Maybe that's why it was changed. I know it wasn't always this way. Exactly....
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 18, 2017 19:56:30 GMT -5
And Woody Williams I do believe it was changed to clarify that the possesion limit excluded processed game
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Post by medic22 on Jul 18, 2017 20:05:25 GMT -5
This is killing me to say this, but he is right. Right there in black and white in the regulation booklet. Best part is medic22 is defending his law breaking. Where he isn't breaking a law 😂 I already knew the right answer but playing along sounded fun!
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 18, 2017 20:07:12 GMT -5
Best part is medic22 is defending his law breaking. Where he isn't breaking a law 😂 I already knew the right answer but playing along sounded fun! 🤔
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Post by featherduster on Jul 19, 2017 0:21:39 GMT -5
Why do folks ask these questions of this nature expecting to get a legal answer that would hold up in a court of law from this crowd when we have a resident Conservation officer on staff.
Ask him.
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Post by jb1069 on Jul 19, 2017 7:15:33 GMT -5
I asked the question because I wanted everyone's opinion, which seems like for the majority matches my own. It was just a conversation starter. But another reason is I am still not sure a CO can answer this question due to the gray areas like it has always been. I think we have determined processed game does not count towards your possession limit. What I still do not know is, Would I be in violation of more than 5 squirrels in one day? The daily limit says 5, but the possession limit says twice that. The way I see it is I could kill 5 and take them to the truck and then return hunting for another 5. But that would put me over 5 for one day. I think the limits contradict each other. Why have a possession limit at all if 5 is the limit for the day and what is in your freezer doesn't count?
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Post by throbak on Jul 19, 2017 8:51:44 GMT -5
Daily is just that DAILY If you killed 5 went back to the truck Kill 5 more the same day that's a violation
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jul 19, 2017 9:25:40 GMT -5
I asked the question because I wanted everyone's opinion, which seems like for the majority matches my own. It was just a conversation starter. But another reason is I am still not sure a CO can answer this question due to the gray areas like it has always been. I think we have determined processed game does not count towards your possession limit. What I still do not know is, Would I be in violation of more than 5 squirrels in one day? The daily limit says 5, but the possession limit says twice that. The way I see it is I could kill 5 and take them to the truck and then return hunting for another 5. But that would put me over 5 for one day. I think the limits contradict each other. Why have a possession limit at all if 5 is the limit for the day and what is in your freezer doesn't count? Say you're camping at Rattlesnake Campground in the Owen-Putnam State Forest. You kill 5 squirrels Friday and 5 squirrels Saturday. You are now at your possession limit. If you want to shoot more squirrels on Sunday, then you either need to take your processed squirrels home and stock them in your freezer or eat a few of them.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 19, 2017 10:19:57 GMT -5
It has been a few years now, but not so long to us with white whiskers 8^)
I recall that discussion pretty well, and participated in it pretty heavily. I also didn't have a problem with running up against the daily limits with my harvests, but just had and still have a pet peeve with laws that don't make good sense as written. As noted above, the possession limit on processed game in our freezers really only regulated how many animals or parts thereof we needed to eat or give away before hunting again.....and they were ignored way more often than obeyed.
We were discussing laws that could be changed to make better sense, and the DNR was conducting their surveys and public meetings to get a better feel of hunter opinions at the time. I had always thought it was unrealistic to have possession limits that included the contents of your freezer. Real enforcement would require us to record the year and species of everything in our freezer, and the individual responsible for taking the game, as well as the portions of any combined packages. Imagine a family with three brothers who like to squirrel hunt and a granny who enjoys squirrel pot pies. If the brothers brought granny a few gallons of squirrel pieces for her freezer to be used at will in her pot pies, would granny be hauled off to jail if someone found out about such a travesty, even though all the squirrels were legally harvested? Would each squirrel piece need to be individually wrapped and identified as to the donor and the percentage of a whole squirrel it contained?
Some research turned up the fact that several other states had faced similar dilemmas and had usually found the solution in changing their laws to exclude any meat that had been processed put in the freezer from being counted in the possession limits.
The exception for migratory birds and waterfowl is because they are regulated by federal laws international treaties and are therefore unaffected by state regulations that might conflict with the federal ones. The possession limits still don't make a lot of sense for migratory bird parts in your freezer, either, but changing federal treaties is just too big a job to even imagine! It would be easier to get your granny to switch her preference from duck pot pies to squirrel if faced with earlier problem.
Anyway, just tickled to death that our state joined the rest of the states with more sensible regulations in this area in response to our speaking up on the issue. Don't know for sure how much influence this forum had in their making the decision, there may have been other people speaking up on it at the time, but I suspect our words were among those that were read and noted by the folks at the DNR.
Good job, DNR!
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 19, 2017 10:25:01 GMT -5
LCH, Yes, we are still saddled with the field possession limits of two days bag limits.
Don't think that will be a problem at Rattlesnake CG, though, as there were only about ten squirrels in the area, so by Sunday you'd be out of targets 8^)
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 19, 2017 17:02:23 GMT -5
The link I sent you clearly defines daily limit
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jul 19, 2017 18:26:40 GMT -5
How many people are going to wait over 48 hours to clean and freeze,or at least refrigerate,a squirrel,rabbit,fish etc. anyway,why even have a possession limit if it doesn't include what's in the freezer?? In the freezer or not,I don't see the reason for it.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 19, 2017 18:35:33 GMT -5
How many people are going to wait over 48 hours to clean and freeze,or at least refrigerate,a squirrel,rabbit,fish etc. anyway,why even have a possession limit if it doesn't include what's in the freezer?? In the freezer or not,I don't see the reason for it. It's so a guy that's camping or in a hunting trip can kill the game and store them temporarily until he can further process and then store them. It's to keep honest people honest like most laws
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jul 19, 2017 19:02:50 GMT -5
How many people are going to wait over 48 hours to clean and freeze,or at least refrigerate,a squirrel,rabbit,fish etc. anyway,why even have a possession limit if it doesn't include what's in the freezer?? In the freezer or not,I don't see the reason for it. It's so a guy that's camping or in a hunting trip can kill the game and store them temporarily until he can further process and then store them. It's to keep honest people honest like most laws But to me once they're cleaned they're processed whether they're in the freezer or not. I'd never shoot a squirrel and leave it lay around for 48 hours with the fur and guts still on it in warm weather and still eat it. Guess that's another reason not to go camping or go on a hunting trip.
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Post by throbak on Jul 19, 2017 19:15:20 GMT -5
We found out the Catfish regs The with the one over Daily only counts in the boat .The CF are taking all they want putting them iholding ponds or transfer vehicles and the possession limits mean NOTHING that's why there was no opposition from them when regs were being made They meant nothing I'd guess they mean nothing here either now that I think about it
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 19, 2017 19:25:18 GMT -5
It's so a guy that's camping or in a hunting trip can kill the game and store them temporarily until he can further process and then store them. It's to keep honest people honest like most laws But to me once they're cleaned they're processed whether they're in the freezer or not. I'd never shoot a squirrel and leave it lay around for 48 hours with the fur and guts still on it in warm weather and still eat it. Guess that's another reason not to go camping or go on a hunting trip. But it says it has to be stored at your primary residence
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jul 19, 2017 20:40:45 GMT -5
But to me once they're cleaned they're processed whether they're in the freezer or not. I'd never shoot a squirrel and leave it lay around for 48 hours with the fur and guts still on it in warm weather and still eat it. Guess that's another reason not to go camping or go on a hunting trip. But it says it has to be stored at your primary residence That makes it so I'd either have to eat squirrel or rabbit I didn't want to eat yet if hunting more than 2 days (I like freezing all animals before eating) and would make it easier to go over the daily limit. I could get a few in the morning,eat them for lunch and since I ate the evidence I could go back out in the evening and get more. In 2 days I could kill up to 20 and only have my possession limit left,like I said there's no point in having it if that's what it means. Possession means to have or own something,not necessarily directly on you or only in your main residence. Counting what's in the freezer is part of your possession too,but hey whatever they want to do. I always thought the whole possession limit was worthless anyway,just my thoughts.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 19, 2017 20:54:24 GMT -5
Why stop there squirrelhunter? If you could eat a bunch and find enough you could harvest an endless amount per day... but... still illegal
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Post by firstwd on Jul 19, 2017 21:17:44 GMT -5
I ran into this issue while running limb lines several years ago. I needed the lawful definition of "day" in daily bag limits. "Day" is calendar day of 12:00am to 11:59pm.
We would tie lines just before dark and remove them as the sun was coming up. At midnight we would put all kept fish in a water tank in the truck with a list of how many were each persons. When we left the fish from midnight to daylight stayed in a tank in the boat.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Jul 20, 2017 0:19:55 GMT -5
Why stop there squirrelhunter? If you could eat a bunch and find enough you could harvest an endless amount per day... but... still illegal True very true,but why should the possession limit just deal with you when you're away from home? The way it was explained to me when I started over 40 years ago,the point of it was to stop people of shooting a bunch of game that wasn't going to be eaten anytime soon. It wouldn't matter where they were. That way people wouldn't be filling their freezers full of stuff that might not get used. If people want to break the law they're going to. It really doesn't matter to me,I never go camping and still go by what dad told me so I never have over the possession limit in the freezer anyway,it just don't make sense to me why it only matters when you're away from home. Sounds like it's just used to try and catch law breakers that take over the daily limit which like I said can be covered up by eating them so what's the point in having the law at all??
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