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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 1, 2017 18:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 2, 2017 7:12:10 GMT -5
If the arrow stays in the animal fine, but more often than not you get a pass through. Interesting idea but I'll pass.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 29, 2017 12:10:04 GMT -5
Sounds like they have covered every base I can think of that would have made me pass them by. I'm assuming that the accelerometer functions only to activate the light and sound functions, and that they are shut off manually by pressing the button again.
I would only have two remaining concerns, neither of which would necessarily be a deal-breaker.
The weight at the nock end of the arrow would be a little more than my current brand, but if I see the need while testing, I'm sure I can adjust for that.
The price is more than double that of my current brand, but IF these work as advertised and reliably, they should result in enough added recoveries of lost arrows to pay for the difference, even while allowing me the confidence to use my bow for squirrel hunting again and a few other situations where I would now be reluctant to risk an arrow. The added recovery of a wounded animal would be an extremely welcome bonus if it occurred.
I see the general retail release date is not until the end of the year. I think I'll pass the early-bird special and wait to see some reviews after the general release. At full price, I'd still consider them to be a very decent value long-term... again, IF they perform up to their promises.
Lighted nocks have been generally a good idea for me, but do have their limitations that seem to be addressed with this product. Thinking back, I've had a few arrows that I sure wish had been equipped with all these and any other tracking devices that could have been imagined at the time.
Can't help thinking back to my attempted golfing days, and a dozen blinking golf balls that were given me as a gag gift from someone who had played with me. They lasted me one entire summer and about half the next before the last one went blinking to its permanent resting place in an un-wadeable water hazard.They were sure fun while they lasted, especially when my brother and I finished some rounds well after good playing light had ended.
Hope the product works every bit up to it's ads and is around to purchase next summer even at full price.
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Post by featherduster on Aug 29, 2017 12:44:57 GMT -5
You got to be kidding, this is getting out of hand. As for me I am going to wait till they come out with a stealth drone with heat detecting capabilities.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 13:01:24 GMT -5
My design that I'm still working on will be RFID around 200 yards and be in the tip of the arrow just inside the broadhead screw in. I plan on working with one of the broadhead manufacturers to be one piece. Broadhead and tracker. I already got the okay to use for both Indiana and Ohio. I have not asked KY yet.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 29, 2017 14:58:29 GMT -5
My design that I'm still working on will be RFID around 200 yards and be in the tip of the arrow just inside the broadhead screw in. I plan on working with one of the broadhead manufacturers to be one piece. Broadhead and tracker. I already got the okay to use for both Indiana and Ohio. I have not asked KY yet. Who did you get the ok from in Indiana? Do tell!
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Post by featherduster on Aug 29, 2017 15:31:22 GMT -5
I would think that if the fence is high enough it should be no problem finding a dead or wounded deer.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2017 16:08:01 GMT -5
My design that I'm still working on will be RFID around 200 yards and be in the tip of the arrow just inside the broadhead screw in. I plan on working with one of the broadhead manufacturers to be one piece. Broadhead and tracker. I already got the okay to use for both Indiana and Ohio. I have not asked KY yet. Who did you get the ok from in Indiana? Do tell! Greg, Show us where it is forbidden . The only thing I've seen is we can't use heat seeking devices in recovering a deer.
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Post by sakorifle on Aug 29, 2017 16:49:28 GMT -5
greetihgs Please explain why have they banned heat seeking devices for recovering wounded game. Sometimes i struggle to understand the thinking. I use every thing available to recover stuff, bailey the dog during the day and thermal on foxes at night i have a thermal imager on my belt all the time especially when out foxing. Oh, ellie the old girl is still fit and well and enjoying her retirement in front of the radiator lol. regards Billy
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Post by greghopper on Aug 29, 2017 17:34:48 GMT -5
Who did you get the ok from in Indiana? Do tell! Greg, Show us where it is forbidden . The only thing I've seen is we can't use heat seeking devices in recovering a deer. So why did have to seek permission? I didn't say they where legal or illegal I just asked who he got the ok from. I do know that one point you where forbidden from taking deer with electrical devices..... that my have changed
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2017 17:43:05 GMT -5
Greg, Show us where it is forbidden . The only thing I've seen is we can't use heat seeking devices in recovering a deer. So why did have to seek permission? I didn't say they where legal or illegal I just asked who he got the ok from. I do know that one point you where forbidden from taking deer with electrical devices..... that my have changed I'd say he is covering all bases. As I said the only electronics that I know of not being legal for deer recovery are the heat seeking devices.. Of course we can't use spotlights and electronic calls for actual hunting.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2017 17:46:38 GMT -5
greetihgs Please explain why have they banned heat seeking devices for recovering wounded game. Sometimes i struggle to understand the thinking. I use every thing available to recover stuff, bailey the dog during the day and thermal on foxes at night i have a thermal imager on my belt all the time especially when out foxing. Oh, ellie the old girl is still fit and well and enjoying her retirement in front of the radiator lol. regards Billy Billy, They said at that time they were concerned that hunters would use them to locate deer to shoot instead of locating dead deer. They do allow tracking dogs on leashes. The thermal imaging can be used to hunt varmints at night.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 29, 2017 17:48:28 GMT -5
So if you shoot one then find it with the aid of the arrow device and it not dead then what? You legal to shoot it again?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2017 18:24:28 GMT -5
So if you shoot one then find it with the aid of the arrow device and it not dead then what? You legal to shoot it again? Sure. This is not a "heat seeking device" is it?
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Post by greghopper on Aug 29, 2017 18:42:47 GMT -5
So if you shoot one then find it with the aid of the arrow device and it not dead then what? You legal to shoot it again? Sure. This is not a "heat seeking device" is it? No its not... but it's a electronic device! As I stated before that was a no no at one point in the past,it very well maybe legal now. I seen this topic discussed before on another site and many where on both sides...... yea/ nay All I asked was who was the POC from the State that oked the device for use in deer hunting. If it's a secret or no one want to say that's fine also!
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2017 20:18:20 GMT -5
Sure. This is not a "heat seeking device" is it? No its not... but it's a electronic device! As I stated before that was a no no at one point in the past,it very well maybe legal now. I seen this topic discussed before on another site and many where on both sides...... yea/ nay All I asked was who was the POC from the State that oked the device for use in deer hunting. If it's a secret or no one want to say that's fine also! Greg, I've been around Indiana hunting for a long time and I don't recall any banning of all "electronics" in hunting by the DNR. I've already posted what "electronics" are illegal. Why are you so interested in "POC" about something that is not illegal in the first place?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:25:40 GMT -5
I need to dig into my e-mails from last year. The IDNR liked the idea and what I showed them. In fact they loved the concept, so did Ohio.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:28:36 GMT -5
Greg, There a thread I started last year on the subject. The size diameter and shock vibration are my two main issues. Getting very close to a good design.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 29, 2017 20:58:38 GMT -5
No its not... but it's a electronic device! As I stated before that was a no no at one point in the past,it very well maybe legal now. I seen this topic discussed before on another site and many where on both sides...... yea/ nay All I asked was who was the POC from the State that oked the device for use in deer hunting. If it's a secret or no one want to say that's fine also! Greg, I've been around Indiana hunting for a long time and I don't recall any banning of all "electronics" in hunting by the DNR. I've already posted what "electronics" are illegal. Why are you so interested in "POC" about something that is not illegal in the first place? I thought we where talking Deer hunting not all hunting! As I stated ... in the very short past the taking of deer with aid of Electronic divices where a no no. Maybe they have narrowed it down to only calls and inferred devices. I can remember when folks asked if walkie talkies where illegal sense the wording of the law was not clear. You don't remember that ? Woody And are you stating the IC code or the Guide book as you reference of information? It's really no big deal I just don't remember the law changing that was the point of my question to Wayne's.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 30, 2017 9:20:12 GMT -5
greghopper, I do recall people ASKING about the legality of using walkie-talkies and other radios. IIRC, the answer right from the start was that they were legal to use WHILE hunting, but not as a tool in actually locating game or moving game to drive it to other hunters. OK for contacting fellow hunters to change locations, come in for lunch, join in a blood trailing or retrieval, etc., and certainly to call for help if needed in dealing with accident or injury.
Re the other electronic devices, I recall when the bow-mounted rangefinders came out and were banned here in IN. It was OK to carry a hand-held unit and use it to range the deer if you had the time, and certainly to range the surrounding landmarks before a shot opportunity arose, as long as they weren't actually attached to the bow. Not sure if that has ever changed. The handheld ones always seemed to me a better idea anyway.
There was some controversy in some states when lighted pins came along, because the most popular types used an LED instead of an incandescent bulb, making them technically illegal as the LED is an electronic device rather san simply an electric bulb. I think most of the states where that was an issue later exempted the LED's from being banned. I do recall hunting one year in ND using a Trophy Ridge sight with a chemical light tube (bobber light) in a hole in the sight housing.....it sorta worked, but the light was so dim that it was ineffective until almost full dark, so I never used it in the field. The ND law had specified no "electric devices" attached to the bow, which made even the lowly incandescent bulbs illegal, but not the chemical light-stick "bobber lights"
Most governing agencies seem pretty eager to regulate, and tend to do so whether there is any chance at effective enforcement or not, which leaves us often with the result being another rule that only affects the law-abiding, and allows those who ignore the regulations free run to do so with little or no risk. Good intentions do not necessarily make good laws, but they keep trying.
I think in the case of the heat-seekers, I would have probably bought one and had it in the truck in case it was needed after a failed blood-trailing attempt, except that a friend's brother had bought one just before they were banned and we got the chance to give it a good tryout. It located every warm rock in his back yard, and the warmer side of all the trees, and would locate his large lazy dog if we got real close. We decided the conditions required for it be truly effective would be rare in the daytime and brief after dark, and that it wasn't worth the money. I suspect that assessment might be different now with some of the newer infrared devices, and I see there's even an app now for smartphones that will further complicate detection of their use, so there will likely be many more in use soon, legal or not.
I was tempted to take one of the earlier devices with me, unarmed, into standing corn, to see if I could effectively use it to locate deer. Never found the time to waste half a day satisfying my curiosity, though. Always kinda figured the final approach and shot would require plenty of stealth and skill to qualify as a legitimate hunting technique in my eyes.
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