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Post by HighCotton on Apr 22, 2017 20:02:00 GMT -5
As I'm completing an AR Blackout build, mainly for deer season, I am trying to decide what route to go with a scope. I've always liked and had great success with Leupold, Nikon and Redfield. However, I am considering one of the Vortex Crossfire scopes for this gun. Anybody got input? Good, bad or other?
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Post by duff on Apr 22, 2017 21:51:24 GMT -5
I looked hard at lupold, Nikon and vortex for a rifle. Hands down vortex is the way to go. I felt it was better value and brighter glass.
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Post by duff on Apr 22, 2017 21:53:11 GMT -5
I looked hard at lupold, Nikon and vortex for a rifle. Hands down vortex is the way to go. I felt it was better value and brighter glass. I do own 2 vortex and vxii as well. Both great but vortex was brighter and has a great warranty and better customer service
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Post by HighCotton on Apr 22, 2017 22:14:11 GMT -5
I looked hard at lupold, Nikon and vortex for a rifle. Hands down vortex is the way to go. I felt it was better value and brighter glass. I do own 2 vortex and vxii as well. Both great but vortex was brighter and has a great warranty and better customer service Interesting. And now I just had a fella recommend that I consider the Vortex Diamondback over the Vortex Crossfire. Says I'd be happy I spent the few extra bucks for even better clarity. Similarly, he said he's had awesome customer service with Vortex and issues with Leupold on covering a repair.
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Post by duff on Apr 23, 2017 5:52:15 GMT -5
I like them alot. But they are more proud of a few products. I wanted to replace my cross bow scope and found theirs to be way way over my budget. Think it was $600 for a 2.5x scope. Sure it was a great scope too just 3x more expensive than I would have guessed.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 23, 2017 10:09:57 GMT -5
I'll never buy a Vortex again- I had a problem with a Crossfire and they blamed me - they did replace it but never would admit it was not my fault. It was a Crossfire - shortly after that they came out with the Crossfire II. I was just curious to try a Vortex out. I would definitely go better than the Crossfire in the Vortex line. I'd take a Weaver over the Crossfire any day. In the Leupold line I tend to buy VX3's, I have more VX3's than anything else at this point. They have higher end products than that but for a hunting scope I haven't felt the end to go with anything more.
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Post by HighCotton on Apr 23, 2017 13:36:40 GMT -5
I'll never buy a Vortex again- I had a problem with a Crossfire and they blamed me - they did replace it but never would admit it was not my fault. It was a Crossfire - shortly after that they came out with the Crossfire II. I was just curious to try a Vortex out. I would definitely go better than the Crossfire in the Vortex line. I'd take a Weaver over the Crossfire any day. In the Leupold line I tend to buy VX3's, I have more VX3's than anything else at this point. They have higher end products than that but for a hunting scope I haven't felt the end to go with anything more. Just curious, what was the issue with the Crossfire?
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Post by steiny on Apr 23, 2017 14:32:54 GMT -5
I really don't think the Vortex scopes are anything special, no better than other similar priced stuff. They've done a good job marketing and for some reason they are currently the hot item to have, like TC muzzle loaders were a couple years ago. Pretty hard to beat Leupold rifle scopes.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 23, 2017 17:57:09 GMT -5
I'll never buy a Vortex again- I had a problem with a Crossfire and they blamed me - they did replace it but never would admit it was not my fault. It was a Crossfire - shortly after that they came out with the Crossfire II. I was just curious to try a Vortex out. I would definitely go better than the Crossfire in the Vortex line. I'd take a Weaver over the Crossfire any day. In the Leupold line I tend to buy VX3's, I have more VX3's than anything else at this point. They have higher end products than that but for a hunting scope I haven't felt the end to go with anything more. Just curious, what was the issue with the Crossfire? ICrosshairs failed. It was on a 500Mag which has a reputation for eating scopes. I put the one that was on it before back on and it has held up fine
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Post by GS1 on Apr 23, 2017 18:21:17 GMT -5
I put a Diamondback on a 30-06 and don't care for it. Just seems like it should be a better scope. It's dark and I have a hard time seeing through it.
I looked through a Crossfire and it seemed brighter and clearer.
I have a Venom reflex sight waiting to put on a turkey gun and I think I'm going to like it.
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Post by omegahunter on Apr 24, 2017 19:19:16 GMT -5
Year before last a friend had a Crossfire II go fuzzy on the second shot on a CVA muzzleloader. I was the one that mounted it all up as well as being the shooter. Vortex replaced it (just stated that it was irreparable and replaced with new), but I will stick to my Nikon's.
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Post by esshup on Apr 26, 2017 13:46:17 GMT -5
I've looked through a few and while they seemed bright and clear, it was mid-day when I looked thru them. I think with all the advertising dollars that they spend, the money has to come from somewhere.....
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Post by jjas on Apr 26, 2017 15:29:05 GMT -5
I've looked through a few and while they seemed bright and clear, it was mid-day when I looked thru them. I think with all the advertising dollars that they spend, the money has to come from somewhere..... They do spend a ton of money on advertising.... But...in all fairness, it wasn't that long ago that Nikon and Thompson Center were doing the same thing....
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Post by M4Madness on May 1, 2017 5:24:09 GMT -5
I've owned a lot of scopes in my 49 years, from Tasco to multiple Nightforce scopes. I've had lots of Leupold Vari-X III's and Nikon Monarchs thrown into the mix. Every scope I now own is a Vortex. There are both better and worse glass out there, but you can't deny that a no-questions-asked warranty is awesome. Accidentally run over your rifle? Free scope. Drop your rifle from a treestand? Free scope. Buy a broken one at a garage sale? Free scope. You get the picture. There are no warranty cards to fill out, as the warranty covers whomever possesses the scope, regardless if they are the tenth owner. The warranty is forever. Your great-great grandchildren will still have the warranty if Vortex is still in business.
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Post by medic22 on May 1, 2017 7:48:37 GMT -5
Just curious, what was the issue with the Crossfire? ICrosshairs failed. It was on a 500Mag which has a reputation for eating scopes. I put the one that was on it before back on and it has held up fine Well in fairness any reputable Vortex dealer would never recommend a crossfire for that gun.
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Post by steiny on May 1, 2017 8:15:06 GMT -5
I've owned a lot of scopes in my 49 years, from Tasco to multiple Nightforce scopes. I've had lots of Leupold Vari-X III's and Nikon Monarchs thrown into the mix. Every scope I now own is a Vortex. There are both better and worse glass out there, but you can't deny that a no-questions-asked warranty is awesome. Accidentally run over your rifle? Free scope. Drop your rifle from a treestand? Free scope. Buy a broken one at a garage sale? Free scope. You get the picture. There are no warranty cards to fill out, as the warranty covers whomever possesses the scope, regardless if they are the tenth owner. The warranty is forever. Your great-great grandchildren will still have the warranty if Vortex is still in business. Same deal with Leupold, lifetime warranty.
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Post by M4Madness on May 1, 2017 9:32:20 GMT -5
I wonder if Leupold went to a transferable warranty to compete with Vortex, as they used to come with warranty cards for the original owner. I also wonder if Leupold would replace your scope if you were the cause of the damage?
I never had any complaints with any of the Leupold scopes I owned. I did have a Nikon with a crooked reticle once. And after the way Bushnell treated me, I wouldn't take anything of theirs for free.
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Post by steiny on May 1, 2017 10:01:33 GMT -5
I wonder if Leupold went to a transferable warranty to compete with Vortex, as they used to come with warranty cards for the original owner. I also wonder if Leupold would replace your scope if you were the cause of the damage? I never had any complaints with any of the Leupold scopes I owned. I did have a Nikon with a crooked reticle once. And after the way Bushnell treated me, I wouldn't take anything of theirs for free. I've only ever had to send in one Leupold and didn't produce any proof of purchase, receipt, etc. They simply took care of it. It's my understanding that Leupold has always had the no questions asked, lifetime guarantee. You can send in a 30 year old one that you bought from somebody else and they will repair or replace no charge. Don't know how they would react if I ran over my scope with a truck and sent it in? Why don't you run over one and try
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 1, 2017 11:01:56 GMT -5
I think I have or have had them all. For your blackout, you won't have to worry about recoil shock on your scope. I think it's just a question of how much you want to spend.
For my 450 Bushmaster, which has some punch unlike the 300, I have a Burris 536 5x. It's great. I think they're usually around $450. I have the 3x too, but wanted a little more magnification.
Steiner M536 is nice, but probably $650.
I have a couple big Nikons, but didn't want them on my ARs.
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