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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2017 6:47:32 GMT -5
When spring rolls around, hunters everywhere gear up to begin establishing or “recharging” the mineral sites on their hunting properties. They know that deer typically begin using supplemental minerals around spring green-up and continue until early fall. Surely, the knee-deep depressions in the soil caused by repeated years of mineral supplementation are evidence of deer need, correct? Maybe, or maybe not. - See more at: www.qdma.com/minerals-for-whitetails/#sthash.MUjtmy8Q.dpuf
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 7:37:15 GMT -5
Take your snow melter rock salt without additives and spread it in you field thinking it was your driveway. A lot less expensive and now you don't have to store the rock salt for next winter. I'm sure that most of us has used very little salt with this warm winter. Bonus: can kill weeds if applied heavy.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 23, 2017 9:16:17 GMT -5
Love reading about minerals, true mineral supplementation. Not the over 90% salt only crap many put out.
The study goes along with what I've noticed in our localized herds is that it is all about the habitat around which will dictate how hard or much your sites will be hit. Few years back we stopped using mineral in all but one spot simply due to the Indiana regulations require a complete shut down and removal...digging up and fencing off is a massive hassle of which I got sick of.
However, in that time frame I noticed the property which had the most INTENSE mineral activity...I'm talking foot deeper each year was a property that while surrounded by Ag fields rich in food and nutrients purely when pallatable (typically corn and alfalfa little beans)...there was nothing else except mature woods and swamp. Native brows were at a minimum and due to this I deduct they rejoiced at the alternative source of nutrients which overall was lacking....
The Homestead property behind my parents house never had mineral licks get pounded...and really barely used...however the amount of understory and natural brows was easily 50 to 100 times better than any of our other hunting properties...coincidence? Not in my eyes.
Good stuff. I've long thought about using mineral supplements high in Calcium and Phosphorous and using them as fertilizers onto food plots. Allow the soil to utilize and deliver the nutrients back into the growth...would it be as concise and trail cam friendly as a foot by foot circle of mineral getting visited? No...however I wonder if that would be deemed by the CO's as okay or violation of the game laws in Indiana...have to look into it.
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Post by benj on Feb 23, 2017 11:34:03 GMT -5
Love reading about minerals, true mineral supplementation. Not the over 90% salt only crap many put out. The study goes along with what I've noticed in our localized herds is that it is all about the habitat around which will dictate how hard or much your sites will be hit. Few years back we stopped using mineral in all but one spot simply due to the Indiana regulations require a complete shut down and removal...digging up and fencing off is a massive hassle of which I got sick of. However, in that time frame I noticed the property which had the most INTENSE mineral activity...I'm talking foot deeper each year was a property that while surrounded by Ag fields rich in food and nutrients purely when pallatable (typically corn and alfalfa little beans)...there was nothing else except mature woods and swamp. Native brows were at a minimum and due to this I deduct they rejoiced at the alternative source of nutrients which overall was lacking.... The Homestead property behind my parents house never had mineral licks get pounded...and really barely used...however the amount of understory and natural brows was easily 50 to 100 times better than any of our other hunting properties...coincidence? Not in my eyes. Good stuff. I've long thought about using mineral supplements high in Calcium and Phosphorous and using them as fertilizers onto food plots. Allow the soil to utilize and deliver the nutrients back into the growth...would it be as concise and trail cam friendly as a foot by foot circle of mineral getting visited? No...however I wonder if that would be deemed by the CO's as okay or violation of the game laws in Indiana...have to look into it. The last part you mentioned is interesting, I'm inclined to think that using it as "fertilizer" and applying it as such would mean you are good to go. I don't really see how it would be different than applying ag lime or similar products.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 23, 2017 11:55:36 GMT -5
Love reading about minerals, true mineral supplementation. Not the over 90% salt only crap many put out. The study goes along with what I've noticed in our localized herds is that it is all about the habitat around which will dictate how hard or much your sites will be hit. Few years back we stopped using mineral in all but one spot simply due to the Indiana regulations require a complete shut down and removal...digging up and fencing off is a massive hassle of which I got sick of. However, in that time frame I noticed the property which had the most INTENSE mineral activity...I'm talking foot deeper each year was a property that while surrounded by Ag fields rich in food and nutrients purely when pallatable (typically corn and alfalfa little beans)...there was nothing else except mature woods and swamp. Native brows were at a minimum and due to this I deduct they rejoiced at the alternative source of nutrients which overall was lacking.... The Homestead property behind my parents house never had mineral licks get pounded...and really barely used...however the amount of understory and natural brows was easily 50 to 100 times better than any of our other hunting properties...coincidence? Not in my eyes. Good stuff. I've long thought about using mineral supplements high in Calcium and Phosphorous and using them as fertilizers onto food plots. Allow the soil to utilize and deliver the nutrients back into the growth...would it be as concise and trail cam friendly as a foot by foot circle of mineral getting visited? No...however I wonder if that would be deemed by the CO's as okay or violation of the game laws in Indiana...have to look into it. The last part you mentioned is interesting, I'm inclined to think that using it as "fertilizer" and applying it as such would mean you are good to go. I don't really see how it would be different than applying ag lime or similar products. Application would be same but product is different. I in no way would want to flirt with illegal practices so if I decide to do this I will be contacting as many CO's as I can for their opinion on the matter and documented responses.
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Post by jjas on Feb 23, 2017 12:07:48 GMT -5
tynimiller
If I'm not mistaken, calcium and phosphorous is used in "organic" gardening, and I can't see how that would prove to be illegal to do so in a food plot.
Having said that....I definitely would agree with your plan of getting an ok (and documenting it) from the local COs....
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 23, 2017 13:40:08 GMT -5
I've turned to some newer products available that have much less salt and far more mineral content. Using Real World Maximizer and Maximizer plus. Both have less than 30% salt content. (Believe 28% salt). Much higher Calcium and phosphorus content as well as additional minerals and vitamin. The Maximizer Plus Varity is currently being tested to help improve a deer's immune system to help fight against EHD. Started using late last summer and havn't noticed a drop off in usage. Deer have already started using over the winter.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 23, 2017 14:08:02 GMT -5
I've turned to some newer products available that have much less salt and far more mineral content. Using Real World Maximizer and Maximizer plus. Both have less than 30% salt content. (Believe 28% salt). Much higher Calcium and phosphorus content as well as additional minerals and vitamin. The Maximizer Plus Varity is currently being tested to help improve a deer's immune system to help fight against EHD. Started using late last summer and havn't noticed a drop off in usage. Deer have already started using over the winter. boone, Real World Maximizer is an awesome product...and if the years of testing of the + variety on farms known with EHD issues and saw none when utilizing end up proving in a the "real world" it will be quite amazing (albeit hard to measure). Just this year I got connected with RealWorld because I have for a long time respect Don and know he truly thinks similar in many things and never settles for sub-par quality. Plots will be from them as well as mineral should I choose to incorporate it. For a long time I used Monsterraxx due to the mix being like you said high enough in salt (around 30%) but primarily focused on actual mineral...Maximizer is nearly the exact same breakdown of ingredients.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 23, 2017 15:14:55 GMT -5
I've turned to some newer products available that have much less salt and far more mineral content. Using Real World Maximizer and Maximizer plus. Both have less than 30% salt content. (Believe 28% salt). Much higher Calcium and phosphorus content as well as additional minerals and vitamin. The Maximizer Plus Varity is currently being tested to help improve a deer's immune system to help fight against EHD. Started using late last summer and havn't noticed a drop off in usage. Deer have already started using over the winter. boone, Real World Maximizer is an awesome product...and if the years of testing of the + variety on farms known with EHD issues and saw none when utilizing end up proving in a the "real world" it will be quite amazing (albeit hard to measure). Just this year I got connected with RealWorld because I have for a long time respect Don and know he truly thinks similar in many things and never settles for sub-par quality. Plots will be from them as well as mineral should I choose to incorporate it. For a long time I used Monsterraxx due to the mix being like you said high enough in salt (around 30%) but primarily focused on actual mineral...Maximizer is nearly the exact same breakdown of ingredients. Going to try their SOYBEAN seed this year. Planning on drilling 6 acres. Have a friend that planted them last year who was very happy with. He used their mineral all year and planted the beans in the summer. He killed a 196" Non typical with bow on video coming to the soybeans.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 23, 2017 15:24:44 GMT -5
I've turned to some newer products available that have much less salt and far more mineral content. Using Real World Maximizer and Maximizer plus. Both have less than 30% salt content. (Believe 28% salt). Much higher Calcium and phosphorus content as well as additional minerals and vitamin. The Maximizer Plus Varity is currently being tested to help improve a deer's immune system to help fight against EHD. Started using late last summer and havn't noticed a drop off in usage. Deer have already started using over the winter. boone, Real World Maximizer is an awesome product...and if the years of testing of the + variety on farms known with EHD issues and saw none when utilizing end up proving in a the "real world" it will be quite amazing (albeit hard to measure). Just this year I got connected with RealWorld because I have for a long time respect Don and know he truly thinks similar in many things and never settles for sub-par quality. Plots will be from them as well as mineral should I choose to incorporate it. For a long time I used Monsterraxx due to the mix being like you said high enough in salt (around 30%) but primarily focused on actual mineral...Maximizer is nearly the exact same breakdown of ingredients. Going to try their SOYBEAN seed this year. Planning on drilling 6 acres. Have a friend that planted them last year who was very happy with. He used their mineral all year and planted the beans in the summer. He killed a 196" Non typical with bow on video coming to the soybeans.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 23, 2017 19:49:56 GMT -5
I'll be doing a broadcast method of about 2 to 4 acres with their soybeans this year for first time as well....cannot wait man!
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Post by esshup on Feb 24, 2017 0:48:46 GMT -5
I'll be doing a broadcast method of about 2 to 4 acres with their soybeans this year for first time as well....cannot wait man! How you planning on getting them to the proper soil depth?
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Post by tenring on Feb 24, 2017 6:59:10 GMT -5
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 24, 2017 7:44:44 GMT -5
I'll be doing a broadcast method of about 2 to 4 acres with their soybeans this year for first time as well....cannot wait man! How you planning on getting them to the proper soil depth? Going to have well prepped soil, broadcast then set disc to only hit first couple inches. Then drag or roll plot, will be seeding at slightly higher rate but know many that do same method. Only way I drill is if I find farmer willing to rent one to us.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 24, 2017 8:16:55 GMT -5
How you planning on getting them to the proper soil depth? Going to have well prepped soil, broadcast then set disc to only hit first couple inches. Then drag or roll plot, will be seeding at slightly higher rate but know many that do same method. Only way I drill is if I find farmer willing to rent one to us. I rent the County Extension offices NO TILL drill. If you have a tractor only way to go. Have been looking for a regular drill at farm auctions but have yet to pick one up. Very cheap to rent the county one though and does a good job on tilled or untilled ground. Just a thought.
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Post by swilk on Feb 24, 2017 9:06:40 GMT -5
How you planning on getting them to the proper soil depth? Going to have well prepped soil, broadcast then set disc to only hit first couple inches. Then drag or roll plot, will be seeding at slightly higher rate but know many that do same method. Only way I drill is if I find farmer willing to rent one to us. Youve been reading about it just like I have .... we need to compare notes and see how well it worked for each of us.
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Post by swilk on Feb 24, 2017 9:07:45 GMT -5
Going to have well prepped soil, broadcast then set disc to only hit first couple inches. Then drag or roll plot, will be seeding at slightly higher rate but know many that do same method. Only way I drill is if I find farmer willing to rent one to us. I rent the County Extension offices NO TILL drill. If you have a tractor only way to go. Have been looking for a regular drill at farm auctions but have yet to pick one up. Very cheap to rent the county one though and does a good job on tilled or untilled ground. Just a thought. My office sold their 8' drill and bought a 12' .... I dont think I have enough tractor. I need to start looking for a drill as well ....
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Post by esshup on Feb 24, 2017 11:09:27 GMT -5
How you planning on getting them to the proper soil depth? Going to have well prepped soil, broadcast then set disc to only hit first couple inches. Then drag or roll plot, will be seeding at slightly higher rate but know many that do same method. Only way I drill is if I find farmer willing to rent one to us. I did that one year and drilled the next with non-determinate beans. For whatever reasons, it seemed like I had over 50% better germination rates with the drill....... I'd like to get a small one too, i.e. 2-3 row, but dang, they are expensive.
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Post by swilk on Feb 24, 2017 11:11:33 GMT -5
Germination failure is why you go with a higher rate when broadcasting. I too intend to try it this year.
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Post by esshup on Feb 24, 2017 11:25:27 GMT -5
Germination failure is why you go with a higher rate when broadcasting. I too intend to try it this year. It probably didn't help that the dang turkeys found the food plot the next day either.....
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