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Post by jjas on Mar 7, 2017 16:39:23 GMT -5
Tynimiller
I wonder how many years it would take for people to start complaining about not seeing many bucks as hunters made sure they filled that expensive tag and the DNR pushing for another round of herd reduction to kill some does?
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 7, 2017 16:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 7, 2017 16:56:05 GMT -5
Ty is not too far off on his 2%..
Indiana Deer Harvested per hunter… Per Responsive Management Survey of Indiana deer hunters in 2010
0 – 43.5 % 1 – 30.0% 2 – 12.2% 3 – 5.6% 4- 2.4% 5 -0.9% 6 - 0.5 % 7 – 0.2% 8 + - 0.6%
Does not add to 100% as some responded “Don’t Know”?
How does someone not know how many deer they killed?
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 7, 2017 17:10:52 GMT -5
9% of the hunters in the deer hunting contest killed 4 or more deer this year. Yes, but that's not really an unbiased example, as many in deer contests are trying to accrue pounts and win. They are inclined to kill deer that they might not normally kill. Obviously not all, but some. I have no beef with the IWDHM itself. I just think they are barking up the wrong tree by blaming the bonus antlerless tags. Reducing them will have no effect on me, so it's not like I have a dog in that fight.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 7, 2017 17:16:10 GMT -5
Ty is not too far off on his 2%..
Indiana Deer Harvested per hunter… Per Responsive Management Survey of Indiana deer hunters in 20100 – 43.5 % 1 – 30.0% 2 – 12.2% 3 – 5.6% 4- 2.4% 5 -0.9% 6 - 0.5 % 7 – 0.2% 8 + - 0.6% With all deer checked online now, I expect the DNR to release the exact number of successful hunters and the above breakdown of kills.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 7, 2017 17:29:19 GMT -5
9% of the hunters in the deer hunting contest killed 4 or more deer this year. I would say you are low on your percentage of hunters that use the bundle tag plus more each year. Most of you are being a little harsh toward these county committees. At least these groups are trying to improve habitat and review regulations in order to improve the health of our deer herd. I agree that some areas of the state need to remain in the reduction program but my county needs to cut back the quotas. We are allowed 8 does when the surrounding counties allow 4. I believe that they base these quotas off of the wrong variables (accidents, depredation tag applications, etc.) Something has to change. I am glad someone is trying to do something. It would be nice if more hunters would support the movement to help to promote a healthier deer herd rather than sit back and complain. I would say a hunting forum will "typically" have more successful hunters than the general population. You very well may be right in me being low, but I'd bet my bottom dollar the 9% represented here is overstating and not an example of the overall. Don't discuss the need of habitat enhancements...that is one of the very factors I used to bring up and they banned me from their pages. I have continually expressed my opinions to the DNR when asked and even when not asked. I've never felt my voice was unheard personally but that is not the case for some out there. My localized herds are doing okay if not well...go 2 miles West or even ask a guy I share a property with though and his opinion will be drastically different...doesn't disqualify either of us, just proves more than an opinion is needed to derive true figures or get a finger on the specific localized herd. Also I am not going to bring specifics up here as not the place, but this group has done/said things directly specifically at myself which were childish/unprofessional. I will not be able to defend or support a group which has done so. Funny thing is despite this I have befriended some of them, some of their past members in "leadership" and even let people know the group may very well represent everything they feel about the state of the deer in Indiana. CDAC's to me are a great concept, I also don't question anyone's love and desire for better deer hunting...but in the end unless a true unbias approach is taken at meetings, multiple entities are present on the boards and at minimum 50% of hunters have a presence it is tough to accept the voices of a few for the voices of an entire county. Personally I love the idea of them though, and if my time ever allows it is something which I'd love to emulate on a smaller scale just around my properties and their localized herds where area hunters meet, discuss and share thoughts on what the deer herd is looking like, maybe make decisions amongst ourselves as to goals, harvest ideas (obviously never exceeding legal limits) and such...but we are talking hunters in a 500-800 acre area not an entire county. In the end Bone, any hunter that feels their voice isn't being heard or there is not a way to express their concerns with the DNR should look into ways their voice can be heard. Not take my word for it or anyone else as to the proper channel for them. I've sent emails, answered surveys and partake in great discussions with hunters on forums, social media and through my consulting job as much as I can. I care deeply about the future of our herd, not just for myself selfishly but in the hopes to take my kids (Lord willing) out someday. In closing I would like to ask a question, your last line stated "It would be nice if more hunters would support the movement to help to promote a healthier deer herd rather than sit back and complain." What is your definition of healthier? Or a healthy deer herd? Is it possible the herd is healthy in areas but guys/gals/hunters simply wish they'd see more? (I 100% admit there is no doubt areas which could have lower quotas, just fyi) Ding, ding, ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 7, 2017 17:32:10 GMT -5
Tynimiller I wonder how many years it would take for people to start complaining about not seeing many bucks as hunters made sure they filled that expensive tag and the DNR pushing for another round of herd reduction to kill some does? Same number of years it took to recover from all those bucks killed and abandoned for bigger ones when the obr started. Oh yeah, it didn't happen.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 7, 2017 19:43:12 GMT -5
Tynimiller I wonder how many years it would take for people to start complaining about not seeing many bucks as hunters made sure they filled that expensive tag and the DNR pushing for another round of herd reduction to kill some does? Same number of years it took to recover from all those bucks killed and abandoned for bigger ones when the obr started. Oh yeah, it didn't happen. Actually, it's still happening. Just look at all the arrests the different DNR Facebook pages have shared this year involving people killing multiple antlered deer.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 7, 2017 19:49:44 GMT -5
lol.....and poachers are doing that because of the OBR!!!
The land of make believe with a OBR hater...SMH
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Post by kp44 on Mar 7, 2017 21:14:28 GMT -5
Explain how this group IWDHM is trying to improve Habitat? And how do you know know that others besides this group are not working to improve anything ? I have not seen much from other deer groups trying to do anything for the deer herd. Could you tell me?
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2017 21:17:19 GMT -5
Tynimiller I wonder how many years it would take for people to start complaining about not seeing many bucks as hunters made sure they filled that expensive tag and the DNR pushing for another round of herd reduction to kill some does? Same number of years it took to recover from all those bucks killed and abandoned for bigger ones when the obr started. Oh yeah, it didn't happen. I knew someone would say it...did it happen? Sure, I don't think it was an immense number and bet many are still doing it that did it then. Hope they all get caught.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 7, 2017 21:20:05 GMT -5
Same number of years it took to recover from all those bucks killed and abandoned for bigger ones when the obr started. Oh yeah, it didn't happen. Actually, it's still happening. Just look at all the arrests the different DNR Facebook pages have shared this year involving people killing multiple antlered deer. Nah, poachers will be poachers obr or not.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2017 21:25:09 GMT -5
Explain how this group IWDHM is trying to improve Habitat? And how do you know know that others besides this group are not working to improve anything ? I have not seen much from other deer groups trying to do anything for the deer herd. Could you tell me? Organized groups by the sense IWDHM is...arguably no you are right. However, I know pages where folks make sure people know when decisions are coming, reports shared or encourage folks to answer surveys and/or contact the dnr or F&W departments. All depends if to some how you think concerns should be expressed is all. It doesn't mean one is doing nothing if they are not specifically connected to "X group" or "Y group". Shoot honestly if Elkhart had a pilot CDAC I'd attend...as I would probably any Elkhart organized deer centered event. However, I am a minority in that I don't feel my various localized herds I hunt across the county are unhealthy or near extinction as some think....and yet would still come. Typically just unhappy are the loudest...just ask a parent which kid makes the most noise lol.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2017 21:26:38 GMT -5
Actually, it's still happening. Just look at all the arrests the different DNR Facebook pages have shared this year involving people killing multiple antlered deer. Nah, poachers will be poachers obr or not. Agreed, in all seriousness not to transfer too far off topic Omega do you feel that truly happened rather significantly that guys and gals that don't do that now did it then? You can PM if you don't wanna side track thread.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 7, 2017 21:29:50 GMT -5
Explain how this group IWDHM is trying to improve Habitat? And how do you know know that others besides this group are not working to improve anything ? I have not seen much from other deer groups trying to do anything for the deer herd. Could you tell me? Just keep trolling your Boat....lol How about you answer all the questions you where asked the last time you rowed in!
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 7, 2017 21:34:30 GMT -5
Nah, poachers will be poachers obr or not. Agreed, in all seriousness not to transfer too far off topic Omega do you feel that truly happened rather significantly that guys and gals that don't do that now did it then? You can PM if you don't wanna side track thread. Heard about poachers as many years as I have been hunting deer (since 1988). CO says it hasn't changed much, just more public now with newspaper and social media reporting it. Just pay attention to some of the reports, often multiple deer; not just shooting two and checking in one. It will continue as long as people are that greedy and antler crazy.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2017 22:14:13 GMT -5
Agreed, in all seriousness not to transfer too far off topic Omega do you feel that truly happened rather significantly that guys and gals that don't do that now did it then? You can PM if you don't wanna side track thread. Heard about poachers as many years as I have been hunting deer (since 1988). CO says it hasn't changed much, just more public now with newspaper and social media reporting it. Just pay attention to some of the reports, often multiple deer; not just shooting two and checking in one. It will continue as long as people are that greedy and antler crazy. Had a local idiot get busted for it awhile back...guess the dude bragged he had taken 30 one year....smh
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Post by deerturkeyman on Mar 7, 2017 22:26:53 GMT -5
I have not seen much from other deer groups trying to do anything for the deer herd. Could you tell me? Organized groups by the sense IWDHM is...arguably no you are right. However, I know pages where folks make sure people know when decisions are coming, reports shared or encourage folks to answer surveys and/or contact the dnr or F&W departments. All depends if to some how you think concerns should be expressed is all. It doesn't mean one is doing nothing if they are not specifically connected to "X group" or "Y group". Shoot honestly if Elkhart had a pilot CDAC I'd attend...as I would probably any Elkhart organized deer centered event. However, I am a minority in that I don't feel my various localized herds I hunt across the county are unhealthy or near extinction as some think....and yet would still come. Typically just unhappy are the loudest...just ask a parent which kid makes the most noise lol. Nobody was at the door at the wabash meeting stopping people who were happy with the deer herd from coming in. They had every right to attend just as those who weren't happy. Perhaps if they were so passionate about the deer herd remaining stable or even decreased they would have attended. IMO
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Post by greghopper on Mar 7, 2017 22:46:12 GMT -5
Or if it had been a DNR sponsored event!
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2017 23:10:21 GMT -5
Organized groups by the sense IWDHM is...arguably no you are right. However, I know pages where folks make sure people know when decisions are coming, reports shared or encourage folks to answer surveys and/or contact the dnr or F&W departments. All depends if to some how you think concerns should be expressed is all. It doesn't mean one is doing nothing if they are not specifically connected to "X group" or "Y group". Shoot honestly if Elkhart had a pilot CDAC I'd attend...as I would probably any Elkhart organized deer centered event. However, I am a minority in that I don't feel my various localized herds I hunt across the county are unhealthy or near extinction as some think....and yet would still come. Typically just unhappy are the loudest...just ask a parent which kid makes the most noise lol. Nobody was at the door at the wabash meeting stopping people who were happy with the deer herd from coming in. They had every right to attend just as those who weren't happy. Perhaps if they were so passionate about the deer herd remaining stable or even decreased they would have attended. IMO Read up at my longer response which may add clarity to my thoughts in full. No one would be naive enough to believe people were being blocked from attending nor said they were. Think about what you stated though, if someone truly believes their localized herd within the county they hunt is doing fine or is stable most are going to believe waste of time to go to it when it is apparent the motives of the CDAC is anti current things and pro-eliminating or lowering quotas? Again I stress every hunter should share their thoughts with the DNR and voice their concerns....personally I've never felt like I couldn't as I have and will continue to do so.
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