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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Mar 1, 2017 21:19:36 GMT -5
I don't know if the hunting is really any better in Kentucky, but I do know it is a bigger state, lower hunter density and a higher overall deer harvest than Indiana.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 1, 2017 21:57:36 GMT -5
I don't know if the hunting is really any better in Kentucky, but I do know it is a bigger state, lower hunter density and a higher overall deer harvest than Indiana. Like anywhere, it truly depends on the property, the hunter, and the desires. The area I hunted was mainly for memories with family. They'd come up here for better animals.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 6, 2017 8:15:18 GMT -5
My opinion on meetings such as these.... I've been to a ton of these type meetings and gave input on DNR surveys over the last 48 years that I have deer hunted.Most, if not all, of the attendees that show up are unhappy with a certain DNR proposal or in this case, with the amount of deer that they are seeing. Folks that are happy with present hunting or their deer herd levels and the way the DNR manages them just will not show up. Reference the amount of deer hunters that showed up at the DNR "informational meetings" in opposition to Proposition #1. Online surveys of any kind are a joke and the DNR learned during the Deer Proposition #1 that they are easily manipulated. As most on here know Hunt-Indiana.com does not take positions on any subject such as this. We always send out mass emails telling the members to give their OWN individual input on any given subject. However, that does not restrict me or anyone on the staff from giving our OWN personal input to the DNR and NRC, but we do it as individuals, not H-I. One has to remember that theses meeting (CDAC)are NOT DNR sponsored and no where has the DNR said the input taken at these meetings(CDAC) will be considered input for Deer management! Funny how most all of their Facebook posts and other articles that I see about the Indiana CDAC's hint at or blatantly state that they are DNR-backed even though DNR came out with the press release that they were only going to share data with the CDAC's. Which said data, by the way, should be public information in the first place.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 6, 2017 8:18:51 GMT -5
Heard Bryan Poynter (chairman for NRC) on a talk radio program on sat confirm the CDAC is a pilot program not sponsored by the DNR. Also Heard from sources that the DNR has advised its people to not attend these meetings with out prior approval. I "think " there has been a couple CDAC meetings. Anyone on here attend one? Looks like they had a meeting in Howard county over the weekend..Ed Hunt(aka BillyBobteeth/ShoulderNuke)lead the meeting and looks to have said he will invoke Legislation if there message is not heard or acted on as they decided. Wow! Guess he doesn't understand "Legislators" are what got us in a reduction mode in the first place. Its like Deja vu all over again...
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 6, 2017 8:47:18 GMT -5
It is public information. Any citizen can request the same data.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 6, 2017 9:35:11 GMT -5
Is there data one can get that say license holders per county?
Just curious.
Also I still don't understand the folks which feel they don't have a line of communication to the state.
I'm slowly as I age understanding the concept that it matters very little how much fact is in an opinion on such things...an opinion cannot be measured.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 6, 2017 9:59:22 GMT -5
Is there data one can get that say license holders per county? Just curious. Also I still don't understand the folks which feel they don't have a line of communication to the state. I'm slowly as I age understanding the concept that it matters very little how much fact is in an opinion on such things...an opinion cannot be measured. The public info is "County Deer Reports" which are pubic info...... I have them in a email form not sure how you post them here.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 6, 2017 12:41:53 GMT -5
Is there data one can get that say license holders per county? Just curious. Also I still don't understand the folks which feel they don't have a line of communication to the state. I'm slowly as I age understanding the concept that it matters very little how much fact is in an opinion on such things...an opinion cannot be measured. The public info is "County Deer Reports" which are pubic info...... I have them in a email form not sure how you post them here. Fairly certain I have those saved at home. Will check out if they have hunters per county (or atleast licensed hunters in) that will be close enough for my curiosity.
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Post by omegahunter on Mar 6, 2017 13:34:15 GMT -5
The public info is "County Deer Reports" which are pubic info...... I have them in a email form not sure how you post them here. Fairly certain I have those saved at home. Will check out if they have hunters per county (or atleast licensed hunters in) that will be close enough for my curiosity. Would that be derived from license address data or check-in data? LOTS of people hunt in counties where they do not live.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 6, 2017 13:50:57 GMT -5
Fairly certain I have those saved at home. Will check out if they have hunters per county (or atleast licensed hunters in) that will be close enough for my curiosity. Would that be derived from license address data or check-in data? LOTS of people hunt in counties where they do not live. Yeah I know....there is not going to be a way to figure out an accurate number. I guess I find it somewhat hard to believe that say you get 40 people in a county that choose to show to a meeting and express mere opinions (no hard data) are justifiably speaking for the entire county if say over 300 folks in the county hunt....or more. Some counties may very well only see hunting from less than a 100...but I know my main county I'd venture to guess we have over 500 if not over 600 hunters putting boots in the woods.
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Post by swilk on Mar 6, 2017 14:40:31 GMT -5
Don't we supposedly have around 250,000 deer hunters? And 92 counties. Even just averaging them out its over 2700 per county....obviously some having more and some having less.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 6, 2017 15:32:01 GMT -5
I "think " there has been a couple CDAC meetings. Anyone on here attend one? Looks like they had a meeting in Howard county over the weekend..Ed Hunt(aka BillyBobteeth/ShoulderNuke)lead the meeting and looks to have said he will invoke Legislation if there message is not heard or acted on as they decided. Wow! Guess he doesn't understand "Legislators" are what got us in a reduction mode in the first place. Its like Deja vu all over again... I saw where the link had been posted, but did not watch the video. I did ask who the CDAC Board were and their stakeholder status. Questions that did not truly get answered. I saw where they had flyers out and about for people to fill out. Somehow they seem to think they can get what they want with a majority rules type of decision making with the responses they get. That is simply not the case. They also might want to rethink that mentality before someone makes it a ballot issue and they lose completely. I'm sure the DNR is saving these videos and storing them for a later date if needed.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 6, 2017 16:58:05 GMT -5
Don't we supposedly have around 250,000 deer hunters? And 92 counties. Even just averaging them out its over 2700 per county....obviously some having more and some having less. Opening weekend of gun season 200,000 of them hunt Northern Warrick county.. biggrin2
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 6, 2017 17:00:38 GMT -5
Well, like I posted earlier...Most of the folks that show up for any of these type meeting whether run by the DNR, NRC or this bunch are the disgruntled hunters. The fat and happy as a clam hunters wont show up.
That skews it from the git go...
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Post by firstwd on Mar 6, 2017 21:17:12 GMT -5
The board not having the make-up that the DNR mandated doesn't help matters either.
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 7, 2017 3:42:14 GMT -5
Every year, DNR makes adjustments to bonus doe tags per county. Ill bet ten dollars to stale donut that when they adjust this year,..the iwdhma will claim credit for it.
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Post by duff on Mar 7, 2017 5:09:44 GMT -5
Woody took my point already. People that are voicing concerns are typically unhappy. Those that are happy or maybe content have other things to worry about than deer hunting. That has always and will always be the case.
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Post by jjas on Mar 7, 2017 7:20:37 GMT -5
Every year, DNR makes adjustments to bonus doe tags per county. Ill bet ten dollars to stale donut that when they adjust this year,..the iwdhma will claim credit for it. They may claim it, but don't be surprised when they complain that the adjustments made aren't nearly enough.....
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Post by greghopper on Mar 7, 2017 7:50:10 GMT -5
Every year, DNR makes adjustments to bonus doe tags per county. Ill bet ten dollars to stale donut that when they adjust this year,..the iwdhma will claim credit for it. They may claim it, but don't be surprised when they complain that the adjustments made aren't nearly enough..... That is more then likely what will happen! Personally....I have no problem lowering the Bag Limits state wide, never knew anyone that didn't want to see more Deer when hunting. The First step I would think should be getting out of the State wide REDUCTION mode we are in.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2017 8:04:09 GMT -5
They may claim it, but don't be surprised when they complain that the adjustments made aren't nearly enough..... That is more then likely what will happen! Personally....I have no problem lowering the Bag Limits state wide, never knew anyone that didn't want to see more Deer when hunting. The First step I would think should be getting out of the State wide REDUCTION mode we are in. Concur, fully expect a continued lowering of quotas across the state like we've seen already, but now out of reduction years might see a larger than normal down tick.
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