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Post by trapperdave on Mar 1, 2017 11:56:01 GMT -5
According to the DNR email the group would be pretty diverse if actually followed .... but just following the list will be difficult and if they actually do follow it I have a feeling that the input received will not be what they imagine it will be. In addition to local hunters, CDACs are expected to include representation from agriculture, forestry, local government, tourism, transportation, non-consumptive users, and a disease monitoring organization.I watched enough of the video to hear that all that attended were hunters. Exactly
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 1, 2017 12:02:12 GMT -5
My opinion on meetings such as these.... I've been to a ton of these type meetings and gave input on DNR surveys over the last 48 years that I have deer hunted.Most, if not all, of the attendees that show up are unhappy with a certain DNR proposal or in this case, with the amount of deer that they are seeing. Folks that are happy with present hunting or their deer herd levels and the way the DNR manages them just will not show up. Reference the amount of deer hunters that showed up at the DNR "informational meetings" in opposition to Proposition #1. Online surveys of any kind are a joke and the DNR learned during the Deer Proposition #1 that they are easily manipulated. As most on here know Hunt-Indiana.com does not take positions on any subject such as this. We always send out mass emails telling the members to give their OWN individual input on any given subject. However, that does not restrict me or anyone on the staff from giving our OWN personal input to the DNR and NRC, but we do it as individuals, not H-I. Yup. I've never felt like there were not enough ways to give input at all. I also concur with the thought that most of the time those which are unhappy will always undoubtedly make the most noise and show up. Let's say Wabash county has just 200 hunters...which is most likely a conservative number. Only 45 stakeholders were at the meeting, meaning they were folks that voted during it and were not just observers (such as the CO, IWDHM leaders in attendance that don't hunt Wabash)...the crucial way IMO to make CDACs have any real weight of opinion is to get the majority of ALL the hunters whom hunt Wabash to give input. Problem is in order to do this mailers, advertisements and tracking of hunting license holders in the county would be a must (which I'm not even sure is possible). I love the concept of more hunter discussion and involvement. Personally speaking I would be more apt to want to start and be part of an immediate localized deer hunting co-op surrounding the places I hunt not the entire county in a setting ran by a group which has made it crystal clear they dislike the quotas and the way the DNR/NRC is/has/was handling things. That's me personally though, and that is before all the cut downs, unprofessional conduct directed my way from some folks. If I felt my voice or that I didn't have ways to give input to the DNR or state I probably would be pushing for something similar or at minimum better avenues to be heard.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 1, 2017 12:06:45 GMT -5
I watched enough of the video to hear that all that attended were hunters. Exactly Yup. There was a farmer on the Wabash board, but he was a hunter as well. If I was asked on my thoughts on how the meeting went, the biggest thing I noticed was the board themselves should withhold personal thoughts, there was a point early in the discussion where a gentleman says the deer are there without question...the leader of the board (who seems like a good enough guy) counter argued the man's sharing. Not the way to create a place where any opinion could be shared. It'd be tough though, because if you care enough to show up or serve in a board you undoubtedly care deeply for hunting...but in a position such as that I think best to remain silent.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 1, 2017 12:21:34 GMT -5
there was a point early in the discussion where a gentleman says the deer are there without question...the leader of the board (who seems like a good enough guy) counter argued the man's sharing. Not the way to create a place where any opinion could be shared. When I read that something like 32 of the 36 hunters voted for NO bonus antlerless permits at all, it confirmed what has always been glaringly obvious to me -- all hunters want to see more deer, and are going to ask for less tags, even when reducing the herd is actually needed. No one wants to make the tough call to kill more deer. That's why the DNR will never give the layman the power to make those decisions.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 1, 2017 13:06:20 GMT -5
Yes, the question of who wants to see more deer (within hunters) is glaring obvious 100% ALL.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 1, 2017 13:16:09 GMT -5
there was a point early in the discussion where a gentleman says the deer are there without question...the leader of the board (who seems like a good enough guy) counter argued the man's sharing. Not the way to create a place where any opinion could be shared. When I read that something like 32 of the 36 hunters voted for NO bonus antlerless permits at all, it confirmed what has always been glaringly obvious to me -- all hunters want to see more deer, and are going to ask for less tags, even when reducing the herd is actually needed. No one wants to make the tough call to kill more deer. That's why the DNR will never give the layman the power to make those decisions. And this is what this group will not accept.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 1, 2017 13:21:19 GMT -5
My opinion on meetings such as these.... I've been to a ton of these type meetings and gave input on DNR surveys over the last 48 years that I have deer hunted.Most, if not all, of the attendees that show up are unhappy with a certain DNR proposal or in this case, with the amount of deer that they are seeing. Folks that are happy with present hunting or their deer herd levels and the way the DNR manages them just will not show up. Reference the amount of deer hunters that showed up at the DNR "informational meetings" in opposition to Proposition #1. Online surveys of any kind are a joke and the DNR learned during the Deer Proposition #1 that they are easily manipulated. As most on here know Hunt-Indiana.com does not take positions on any subject such as this. We always send out mass emails telling the members to give their OWN individual input on any given subject. However, that does not restrict me or anyone on the staff from giving our OWN personal input to the DNR and NRC, but we do it as individuals, not H-I. One has to remember that theses meeting (CDAC)are NOT DNR sponsored and no where has the DNR said the input taken at these meetings(CDAC) will be considered input for Deer management!
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 1, 2017 13:37:28 GMT -5
Yup. There was a farmer on the Wabash board, but he was a hunter as well. If I was asked on my thoughts on how the meeting went, the biggest thing I noticed was the board themselves should withhold personal thoughts, there was a point early in the discussion where a gentleman says the deer are there without question...the leader of the board (who seems like a good enough guy) counter argued the man's sharing. Not the way to create a place where any opinion could be shared. It'd be tough though, because if you care enough to show up or serve in a board you undoubtedly care deeply for hunting...but in a position such as that I think best to remain silent. I never watched the video but you are saying the board member who is supposed to be gathering personal input was challenging an individual's personal input? Wow, just wow.,.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 1, 2017 13:43:13 GMT -5
Yup. There was a farmer on the Wabash board, but he was a hunter as well. If I was asked on my thoughts on how the meeting went, the biggest thing I noticed was the board themselves should withhold personal thoughts, there was a point early in the discussion where a gentleman says the deer are there without question...the leader of the board (who seems like a good enough guy) counter argued the man's sharing. Not the way to create a place where any opinion could be shared. It'd be tough though, because if you care enough to show up or serve in a board you undoubtedly care deeply for hunting...but in a position such as that I think best to remain silent. I never watched the video but you are saying the board member who is supposed to be gathering personal input was challenging an individual's personal input? Wow, just wow.,. Challenging no, but he was quick to present a counter point to it. Otherwise he did a good job and even later in the meeting I think caught himself once and withheld personal thought which was a good thing.
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Post by jjas on Mar 1, 2017 13:47:57 GMT -5
Yes, the question of who wants to see more deer (within hunters) is glaring obvious 100% ALL. That's for sure. The only other question that I could see most hunters agreeing on would be if they would like to pay less for their licenses...LOL.
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Post by swilk on Mar 1, 2017 13:54:58 GMT -5
Ill take seeing less deer to see the right deer more often .... and my license is long ago paid for so increases are fine with me.
one last thing ... the sun comes up in the west.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 1, 2017 14:07:55 GMT -5
I never watched the video but you are saying the board member who is supposed to be gathering personal input was challenging an individual's personal input? Wow, just wow.,. Challenging no, but he was quick to present a counter point to it. Otherwise he did a good job and even later in the meeting I think caught himself once and withheld personal thought which was a good thing. A counter point is a challenge..
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 1, 2017 14:09:15 GMT -5
Ill take seeing less deer to see the right deer more often .... and my license is long ago paid for so increases are fine with me. one last thing ... the sun comes up in the west. Depending on the time of year isn't it slightly WNW or WSW hahahaha!
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 1, 2017 14:10:47 GMT -5
Challenging no, but he was quick to present a counter point to it. Otherwise he did a good job and even later in the meeting I think caught himself once and withheld personal thought which was a good thing. A counter point is a challenge.. True, I guess I was merely saying he didn't like pounce in an attacking fashion is all. Most with the word "challenge" probably picture that but true, as quick as he responded one could argue is a challenge of an opinion.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 1, 2017 16:06:11 GMT -5
Ill take seeing less deer to see the right deer more often .... and my license is long ago paid for so increases are fine with me. one last thing ... the sun comes up in the west. You will never see the right deer more often with our firearms seasons. Unless you have urban or control a couple thousand acres of good ground. OBR or not, it is the gorilla in the room keeping us an opportunity state with the really good hunting only provided the privileged or idiots like me that work their butt off for low pressure ground.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 1, 2017 16:51:31 GMT -5
It all depends on what someone calls the "right" Deer... They had a whole wall full at the expo this pass weekend and not one the came from any High Fence operation! Pretty sure most would classify them as "right Deer"... maybe not!
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 1, 2017 16:51:47 GMT -5
Ill take seeing less deer to see the right deer more often .... and my license is long ago paid for so increases are fine with me. one last thing ... the sun comes up in the west. You will never see the right deer more often with our firearms seasons. Unless you have urban or control a couple thousand acres of good ground. OBR or not, it is the gorilla in the room keeping us an opportunity state with the really good hunting only provided the privileged or idiots like me that work their butt off for low pressure ground. Really? How does Kentucky do it then? KY has almost as much gun hunting (with the dreaded HPRs) in most of the state. Yet, they are Number 2 in B and C entries since 2010. Number 1 if it is B and C entries per square mile.. Kentucky Season Dates (2016): Archery season runs continuously and concurrent with all other seasons beginning on September 3, 2016 and closing January 16, 2017. Modern gun season in zones 1 and 2 is November 12-27, 2016. In zones 3 and 4, modern gun is November 12-21, 2016. Crossbow hunting is permitted October 1-16, 2016 and November 12-31, 2016. Early muzzleloader season is October 15-16, 2016 and late muzzleloader is December 10-18, 2016. Youth-only season is October 8-9, 2016 and there is a free youth weekend held on December 31, 2016 and January 1, 2017. Within these season parameters there are restrictions for either sex, antlered and antlerless deer and certain zone restrictions. These are the dates set when published, please check the state DNR's website to confirm. Indiana cracked the top ten and is currently number 7.. 7. Indiana
Entries since 2010: 169And now we come to the newcomer. Indiana is the only state on the top 10 list since 2010 that isn’t on the top 10 list of all time. For the all-time record, it sits at No. 11 in the typical and non-typical categories. And that’s saying something. It isn’t easy to break into the top 10. But Indiana continues to climb the charts. And I love it for all the Hoosier hunters out there. Hunters in Ripley, Jasper, Franklin, Harrison and Parke counties have taken 23 B&C typicals since 2010. Newton, Noble, Sullivan, Dekalb and Harrison counties posted the top five non-typical spots with 13. I think of Indiana as the little brother that’s just gotten old enough to kick big brother’s behind. And without a doubt, it’s kicking some big buck butt. A lot of big deer are coming out of the Hoosier state. SEE…www.realtree.com/deer-hunting/articles/top-10-booner-states-for-deer-hunting-since-2010
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 1, 2017 17:01:04 GMT -5
Only part of Indiana with the habitat that Kentucky has is far southern Indiana. Apples and oranges. I'm done.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 1, 2017 19:18:45 GMT -5
A lot of western KY is flat and gently rolling.. but we are talking about seasons not terrain..
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Post by firstwd on Mar 1, 2017 20:31:47 GMT -5
A lot of western KY is flat and gently rolling.. but we are talking about seasons not terrain.. But the terrain (habitat) can't be changed enough, so obviously the seasons and bag limits must be the answer to making Indiana the premier giant deer mecca of the world. :-)
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