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Post by Tim Moore on Mar 11, 2017 12:03:10 GMT -5
Has anyone showed up to the one (or two) meetings that have already taken place that were stakeholders other than deer hunters? Either to be on the panel or to speak? From what I read in Wisconsin, which I am having a hard time finding that it is working as claimed, there are stakeholders on the panel. The only video from an Indiana meeting I watched was only deer hunters on the panel. I quit watching when that was announced. That is not a CDAC. That is a bunch of deer hunters meeting. Well Here you go take read wildindiana.com/cdac-pilot-deer-group-gaining-traction/
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Post by greghopper on Mar 11, 2017 12:08:47 GMT -5
Whitetailhunter66 A few questions... 1. Do you really think that with the present license structure, lowering antlerless permits will result in the change in the doe harvest your group is looking for? 2. How is your group going to convince the DNR that lowering these permits is the course to follow? 3. Since you have publicly gone "on the record", I'll take your word for no secret/hidden agenda. 1 YES BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE TAKING AWAY THE ASSAULT ON ANTLERLESS DEER 2 WITH A BOW 1 WITH FIREARM 1 W/ MUZZELLOADER.... THEN WHAT EVER IS DETERMINED FOR THE QUOTAS FOR SAID COUNTY ,,, 2 JUST LOOK TO WISCONSIN 3 NO HIDDEN AGENDA PERIOD You do realize the state of Wisconsin is no where close to being the same Habit or road structure we have in Indiana...also the land size is different!
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Post by greghopper on Mar 11, 2017 12:14:14 GMT -5
Has anyone showed up to the one (or two) meetings that have already taken place that were stakeholders other than deer hunters? Either to be on the panel or to speak? From what I read in Wisconsin, which I am having a hard time finding that it is working as claimed, there are stakeholders on the panel. The only video from an Indiana meeting I watched was only deer hunters on the panel. I quit watching when that was announced. That is not a CDAC. That is a bunch of deer hunters meeting. Well Here you go take read wildindiana.com/cdac-pilot-deer-group-gaining-traction/Someone should ask Ed Hunt how may antlerless Deer him and his family have killed in Howard County in the last 10 years... or just Deer period!
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Post by Tim Moore on Mar 11, 2017 12:24:31 GMT -5
wildindiana.com/cdac-pilot-deer-group-gaining-traction/
This has some answers to some of your honest questions from a Unbiased individual freelance writer. I believe this is the best way to communicate to you all. Earlier you mentioned about one of our posts regarding dynamics of deer and big bucks being harvested. Take out of context totally. That post quoted another writer and professional land manager Don Higgins with a degree. In no way was this putting down any hunters. Simply that due to age structure and herd dynamics bucks are changing their behavior in looking for does. So while I don't have actual biologist articles in front of me to quote, or books that refer to some of you specific comments, I would suggest you look up the following. Indiana has never, except in isolated pockets within state parks reached anywhere near the carrying capacity of the land. A few of you have misconceptions. One post refers to the wasteland of January and February. Deer's metabolism slows to almost nothing in these months. They need very little nourishment. Of the norishment they get it is mostly from browse. You can see this in the wild with the tips of branches being torn off. Rabbits bite clean, deer tear as only having bottom teeth. Feeding corn and supplemental feed can actually cause acidoses and death with increased lactic acid levels. Also one post mentioned a poor mast crop could be devestating. Again in Indiana the carrying capacity, except few state parks for a time, has never been close. God provides well, and no one loss of a particular food means the end of the herd. They have multiple options. Mostly in this semi hibernation mode deer do very well without very much food. One thing that does hurt them is shed and small game hunters that cause them to expend unneeded energy in escape. But we cannot do anything about that.
So as has been shown with biology, and expert testimony, I would suggest you all brush up on your politics, the way the herd is managed, the way public comment is received and utilized. Read, talk to people face to face, attend deer summits, come to a CDAC, ask questions. Finding fault in every single sentence taken out of context, and alternative ideas, do not do any good whatsoever, playing armchair critic. I challange you to get out, speak your mind, give your ideas, be a part of the process. That is all IWDHM Group is doing. Good day gentlemen. We got another leadership meeting today, been driving all over the state at my expense and time, just to give real people a real voice in real deer management, not critizing without action.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 11, 2017 12:38:59 GMT -5
wildindiana.com/cdac-pilot-deer-group-gaining-traction/ This has some answers to some of your honest questions from a Unbiased individual freelance writer. I believe this is the best way to communicate to you all. Earlier you mentioned about one of our posts regarding dynamics of deer and big bucks being harvested. Take out of context totally. That post quoted another writer and professional land manager Don Higgins with a degree. In no way was this putting down any hunters. Simply that due to age structure and herd dynamics bucks are changing their behavior in looking for does. So while I don't have actual biologist articles in front of me to quote, or books that refer to some of you specific comments, I would suggest you look up the following. Indiana has never, except in isolated pockets within state parks reached anywhere near the carrying capacity of the land. A few of you have misconceptions. One post refers to the wasteland of January and February. Deer's metabolism slows to almost nothing in these months. They need very little nourishment. Of the norishment they get it is mostly from browse. You can see this in the wild with the tips of branches being torn off. Rabbits bite clean, deer tear as only having bottom teeth. Feeding corn and supplemental feed can actually cause acidoses and death with increased lactic acid levels. Also one post mentioned a poor mast crop could be devestating. Again in Indiana the carrying capacity, except few state parks for a time, has never been close. God provides well, and no one loss of a particular food means the end of the herd. They have multiple options. Mostly in this semi hibernation mode deer do very well without very much food. One thing that does hurt them is shed and small game hunters that cause them to expend unneeded energy in escape. But we cannot do anything about that. So as has been shown with biology, and expert testimony, I would suggest you all brush up on your politics, the way the herd is managed, the way public comment is received and utilized. Read, talk to people face to face, attend deer summits, come to a CDAC, ask questions. Finding fault in every single sentence taken out of context, and alternative ideas, do not do any good whatsoever, playing armchair critic. I challange you to get out, speak your mind, give your ideas, be a part of the process. That is all IWDHM Group is doing. Good day gentlemen. We got another leadership meeting today, been driving all over the state at my expense and time, just to give real people a real voice in real deer management, not critizing without action. Yep where all uneducated and know nothing on how things work in this state...SMH Thanks for the uninformed insults...I Knew your True colors would shine soon!
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Post by Tim Moore on Mar 11, 2017 12:41:50 GMT -5
1 YES BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE TAKING AWAY THE ASSAULT ON ANTLERLESS DEER 2 WITH A BOW 1 WITH FIREARM 1 W/ MUZZELLOADER.... THEN WHAT EVER IS DETERMINED FOR THE QUOTAS FOR SAID COUNTY ,,, 2 JUST LOOK TO WISCONSIN 3 NO HIDDEN AGENDA PERIOD You do realize the state of Wisconsin is no where close to being the same Habit or road structure we have in Indiana...also the land size is different! Greg , WHAT? ?? Does this have to do with the Antlerless permits? We are talking about Deer Harvest correct ??
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Post by Tim Moore on Mar 11, 2017 12:48:45 GMT -5
Greg "Yep where all uneducated and know nothing on how things work in this state...SMH
Thanks for the uninformed insults...I Knew your True colors would shine soon!
I did not say any of this. You have proved my point, you will take anything out of context to use against us. I ask what does this accomplish? Only thing I see is the time God gave us on this earth is limited, and to think we waste another minute of it in the back and forth badgering is a wast of that time he gave us. Good luck to you. Woody, I have been more than fair, honest, transparent, and respectful. Their is nothing that has violated your rules. This is got to be a no he said, but no he said. This is no adult debate and conversation and proves the need for CDACs on a very basic level.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 11, 2017 12:54:22 GMT -5
Greg "Yep where all uneducated and know nothing on how things work in this state...SMH Thanks for the uninformed insults...I Knew your True colors would shine soon! I did not say any of this. You have proved my point, you will take anything out of context to use against us. I ask what does this accomplish? Only thing I see is the time God gave us on this earth is limited, and to think we waste another minute of it in the back and forth badgering is a wast of that time he gave us. Good luck to you. Woody, I have been more than fair, honest, transparent, and respectful. Their is nothing that has violated your rules. This is got to be a no he said, but no he said. This is no adult debate and conversation and proves the need for CDACs on a very basic level. Yep ....everyone here takes things out of context but you and your associated saints don't....Your right it does prove your agenda and point very well! Maybe you should go Troll your boat else where...no ones buying your sells pitch or snake oil here! BTW...Telling everyone here to "Brush Up" is nothing more then a childless jab that accomplishes what?
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Post by jjas on Mar 11, 2017 13:22:07 GMT -5
Whitetailhunter66 A few questions... 1. Do you really think that with the present license structure, lowering antlerless permits will result in the change in the doe harvest your group is looking for? 2. How is your group going to convince the DNR that lowering these permits is the course to follow? 3. Since you have publicly gone "on the record", I'll take your word for no secret/hidden agenda. 1 YES BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE TAKING AWAY THE ASSAULT ON ANTLERLESS DEER 2 WITH A BOW 1 WITH FIREARM 1 W/ MUZZELLOADER.... THEN WHAT EVER IS DETERMINED FOR THE QUOTAS FOR SAID COUNTY ,,, 2 JUST LOOK TO WISCONSIN 3 NO HIDDEN AGENDA PERIOD 1. How many hunters have taken more than 4 deer per season in any given year since 2012 when the new regs went into effect? Has your group broken that data down by individual county? 2. I don't see the DNR lowering most counties below a 4 anytime soon. There may be a few more counties dropped below that threshold this upcoming season (as there has been in recent years), but as of last season (2016) there were still 59 counties eligible for the late antlerless season. Besides...this program is the one way the DNR can affect herd numbers without having to play politics. 3. As far as your third point is concerned....I hope your group sticks to this.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 11, 2017 13:54:18 GMT -5
I'm at my great grand daughters 2nd birthday party and I don't have time to read all this BS - from both sides.
So I am locking this until I do get time.
Moderators - let's talk..
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