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Post by singlestacksig on Feb 14, 2017 18:48:00 GMT -5
Got an Email from DNR about this group "Indiana White-tailed Deer Herd Management" .. anyone here part of this? Know who they are what their agenda is?
"The DNR will be sharing information about white-tailed deer with a hunting group that is organizing a pilot program aimed at gathering public input for consideration in future deer management decisions.
The group – Indiana White-tailed Deer Herd Management (IWDHM) – is putting together county deer advisory councils, or CDACs, in a handful of counties. The pilot program is modeled after one that operates in Wisconsin.
In addition to local hunters, CDACs are expected to include representation from agriculture, forestry, local government, tourism, transportation, non-consumptive users, and a disease monitoring organization.
The DNR will provide the CDACs with information the agency already collects on an annual basis, including harvest data, crop depredation damage, forest damage, and deer-vehicle collision statistics.
CDAC meetings will gather public input on deer population goals and antlerless quotas for that county and share it with the DNR. "
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 14, 2017 18:54:30 GMT -5
I got same today. No counties I am concerned with, though.
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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 14, 2017 19:08:19 GMT -5
A great group you should join. probably don't let them know you are a member here though and try not to express views that don't go along with their agenda
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 14, 2017 19:33:45 GMT -5
A great group you should join. probably don't let them know you are a member here though and try not to express views that don't go along with their agenda Yeah, I'm sure they are all awful elitist trophy hunters. Being concerned with the deer herd at a county level, terrible. Fight the power lol. Some of the junk you post is unreal.
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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 14, 2017 19:38:25 GMT -5
A great group you should join. probably don't let them know you are a member here though and try not to express views that don't go along with their agenda Yeah, I'm sure they are all awful elitist trophy hunters. Being concerned with the deer herd at a county level, terrible. Fight the power lol. Some of the junk you post is unreal. I never saw where I said any of that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 19:41:43 GMT -5
Got an Email from DNR about this group "Indiana White-tailed Deer Herd Management" .. anyone here part of this? Know who they are what their agenda is? "The DNR will be sharing information about white-tailed deer with a hunting group that is organizing a pilot program aimed at gathering public input for consideration in future deer management decisions. The group – Indiana White-tailed Deer Herd Management (IWDHM) – is putting together county deer advisory councils, or CDACs, in a handful of counties. The pilot program is modeled after one that operates in Wisconsin. In addition to local hunters, CDACs are expected to include representation from agriculture, forestry, local government, tourism, transportation, non-consumptive users, and a disease monitoring organization. The DNR will provide the CDACs with information the agency already collects on an annual basis, including harvest data, crop depredation damage, forest damage, and deer-vehicle collision statistics. CDAC meetings will gather public input on deer population goals and antlerless quotas for that county and share it with the DNR. " Just do a search "IWDHM" and you will find a lot of posts on this bad boy.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 14, 2017 19:44:10 GMT -5
I'm sure the vast majority of the members are good folks with good intentions. The way management represents the group though, especially on their Facebook page, is just awful.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 14, 2017 19:59:10 GMT -5
Got an Email from DNR about this group "Indiana White-tailed Deer Herd Management" .. anyone here part of this? Know who they are what their agenda is? "The DNR will be sharing information about white-tailed deer with a hunting group that is organizing a pilot program aimed at gathering public input for consideration in future deer management decisions. The group – Indiana White-tailed Deer Herd Management (IWDHM) – is putting together county deer advisory councils, or CDACs, in a handful of counties. The pilot program is modeled after one that operates in Wisconsin. In addition to local hunters, CDACs are expected to include representation from agriculture, forestry, local government, tourism, transportation, non-consumptive users, and a disease monitoring organization. The DNR will provide the CDACs with information the agency already collects on an annual basis, including harvest data, crop depredation damage, forest damage, and deer-vehicle collision statistics. CDAC meetings will gather public input on deer population goals and antlerless quotas for that county and share it with the DNR. " hunt-indiana.com/thread/57422/iwdhm-press-release?page=1hunt-indiana.com/thread/55702/iwdhmKeep in mind that memo DOESNT say that they where asked to form these CDACs. There're doing this on there OWN will from what I gather! We've been there done that some 10-15 years ago. It was composed of 3-5 landowner/farmers, 3-5 deer hunting groups, 3-5 independent/non-hunters and an animal rights rep..... It's like Deja vu all over again!
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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 14, 2017 20:07:05 GMT -5
A great group you should join. probably don't let them know you are a member here though and try not to express views that don't go along with their agenda Yeah, I'm sure they are all awful elitist trophy hunters. Being concerned with the deer herd at a county level, terrible. Fight the power lol. Some of the junk you post is unreal. We should go hunt together, I won't talk.
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Post by M4Madness on Feb 14, 2017 21:06:24 GMT -5
I'm sure the vast majority of the members are good folks with good intentions. The way management represents the group though, especially on their Facebook page, is just awful. Agreed. Their constant derogatory use of the term "woodpeckers" shows juvenile behavior, and is not befitting of someone desiring to be taken seriously. I also took offense to their previous posting where they basically stated that it wasn't fair for new hunters to kill big bucks while veteran deer hunters went without. It was in a discussion of how lower doe numbers make big bucks more active and easier to kill, and how new hunters "luck" into killing them. I just feel that they are misguided on where they lay blame for the perceived herd decimation. My gut tells me that it isn't attributed to people shooting eight does a season, but rather a large number of hunters killing two or three. What is the estimated number of deer hunters in Indiana? If it is 250K, then it would only take half of them killing one deer each to equal the 2016-17 harvest, or one quarter of them if they shot two each. You could lower the antlerless quotas to three in all 92 counties and still see the same harvest totals in such a scenario. I feel that northern Indiana is plagued with small woodlots and lots of hunters. Deer are picked off easily due to lack of security cover. No amount of license reductions short of a lottery are going to replace poor habitat. Huge swaths of forest are why southern Indiana is a deer mecca. Predation by exploding coyote and bobcat populations is also to blame. Just because you may not see it doesn't mean it isn't occurring. I lay a little blame on foodplots as well. The prevalence of people planting them would certainly explain a lack of deer sightings in areas where the deer are drawn to greener pastures. Just some food for thought. I certainly wish them well, as we all want deer for the future, but my personal opinion is that they are barking up the wrong tree.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2017 21:11:38 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 14, 2017 21:17:25 GMT -5
Never knew a Deer hunter who didn't want more deer....be like someone refusing a pay raise at work!
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Post by swilk on Feb 15, 2017 8:02:00 GMT -5
A great group you should join. probably don't let them know you are a member here though and try not to express views that don't go along with their agenda Its better to just not say anything ... other than "I agree". And nodding. Nodding might be okay. But whatever you do, dont look them in the eye. Or wear bright colors. Avoid red at all costs.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2017 11:11:36 GMT -5
They are a group that believe the deer herd is being decimated, and if we continue going where we are they fear deer hunting will be gone for our grandkids. They hate late season antlerless seasons for counties that qualify, they hate depredation permit use and believe the DNR are useless for statewide herd management and needs overhauled.
(As a disclaimer, the above sentences are typed using my interpretation of their posts and all things listed are exact phrases or thoughts expressed by them but the above is NOT a direct quote)
I like some here have a not so pleasant history with them, but have grown to be peaceful with a few of their "organizers." I am not allowed to post, share or discuss anything with them on their page as I was banned a long time ago and like Woody have been on the raw end of their childish-kindergarten level banterings on social media quite a bit. I will stress though I feel this is NOT a representation of the group, but of most likely only very few in management. So I do not hold that against ANY of their members at all. Shoot my pops is a follower of theirs on Facebook and many friends.
Overall like some have stated their member base is made up of hunters who simply desire a connection with other hunters and feel it is a good way of hunter dialogue and line to the DNR (which is no different at this time than any of our lines to the DNR).
Their management though (NOT even their "mission") is where many have drawn the line and will not join them. I encourage anyone looking into them to just look back and research as much as you can on what they've said, posted and done to folks (however that is tough as for their part they delete postings or folks they deem causing "disharmony").
They may very well be exactly what you desire to be part of...or they very well may be the opposite...or perhaps somewhere in the middle. Who knows...only you.
Whether you join or not utilize the communication WE ALL have to the DNR by emailing, writing letters and even calling utilizing the contact information they present on their website. Form local co-ops and discuss with folks localized specific herd numbers (your immediate area)...dialogue amongst hunters makes a much larger impact than quotas in my opinion.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2017 11:16:41 GMT -5
I feel that northern Indiana is plagued with small woodlots and lots of hunters. Deer are picked off easily due to lack of security cover. No amount of license reductions short of a lottery are going to replace poor habitat. Huge swaths of forest are why southern Indiana is a deer mecca. Predation by exploding coyote and bobcat populations is also to blame. Just because you may not see it doesn't mean it isn't occurring. I lay a little blame on foodplots as well. The prevalence of people planting them would certainly explain a lack of deer sightings in areas where the deer are drawn to greener pastures. Just some food for thought. I certainly wish them well, as we all want deer for the future, but my personal opinion is that they are barking up the wrong tree. I've said it tons, you have said it tons and I shall like, agree and quote again! Perfectly described and said!
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 15, 2017 15:17:45 GMT -5
There are bad apples on both sides.
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Post by GS1 on Feb 15, 2017 15:25:22 GMT -5
They were fun when they first started. Then it was like having a discussion with my 8 year old except he has better reading comprehension and grammar skills.
I lost interest in them when one of the members made the comment about Woody being old and not living much longer. It highlighted the lack of class that any of them have.
They are trying to sell the easiest message you can sell to a deer hunter. "Do you want to see more deer?" Yet they come off as a bunch of 6th graders who never made it to the 7th grade.
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 15, 2017 17:15:12 GMT -5
A great group you should join. probably don't let them know you are a member here though and try not to express views that don't go along with their agenda Its better to just not say anything ... other than "I agree". And nodding. Nodding might be okay. But whatever you do, dont look them in the eye. Or wear bright colors. Avoid red at all costs. If you comment anything but agreement with them, you are quickly identified as Woody under a fake profile (btdt). When you invite them to check out your profile, you get ignored. Especially when you ask for an apology.
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Post by medic22 on Feb 15, 2017 18:46:27 GMT -5
No dig on the member cause he is a great guy and a friend of mine. There is a member here that was a county manager for IWDHM that lost 2 or 3 deer this year due to poor shots.
Seems like an accuracy lesson would be more effective than lower qoutas.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 16, 2017 8:11:57 GMT -5
Just for clarity sake as this thread has grown into what is the IWDHM but yet the OP posted something on the CDACs. While IWDHM is coordinating 100% on their own the pilot county CDACs...it is said they will not be the sole input providers in them.
Will this happen? Who knows...
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