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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 8, 2017 7:59:59 GMT -5
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Post by M4Madness on Feb 8, 2017 9:40:58 GMT -5
How do they know? There is nowhere on the Indiana telecheck to indicate how old your buck was.
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Post by swilk on Feb 8, 2017 9:55:04 GMT -5
Would love to see the data behind that one ....
I assume they are calling 1.5 year old male deer yearlings?
They are also saying that male fawns (button bucks) and 2.5 year old male deer account for 30% of the total number of male deer killed?
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 8, 2017 12:20:29 GMT -5
Would love to see the data behind that one .... I assume they are calling 1.5 year old male deer yearlings? They are also saying that male fawns (button bucks) and 2.5 year old male deer account for 30% of the total number of male deer killed? The report is at.. www.qdma.com
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Post by greghopper on Feb 8, 2017 12:44:27 GMT -5
How do they know? There is nowhere on the Indiana telecheck to indicate how old your buck was. They don't need every deer shot aged ... just a sample size. Same as what is done on the State Harvest reports.
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Post by davers on Feb 8, 2017 13:28:57 GMT -5
How do they know? There is nowhere on the Indiana telecheck to indicate how old your buck was. They age Deer by examining dental wear. I remember when I harvested my first Deer at Crane the check station up there; they examined my Deer's dental wear to determine the age.
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Post by swilk on Feb 8, 2017 13:50:31 GMT -5
Would love to see the data behind that one .... I assume they are calling 1.5 year old male deer yearlings? They are also saying that male fawns (button bucks) and 2.5 year old male deer account for 30% of the total number of male deer killed? The report is at.. www.qdma.comyep .... but not the data and associated information. But even the report itself shoots a few holes in that headline. Doesnt matter though ...
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Post by M4Madness on Feb 8, 2017 16:47:47 GMT -5
How do they know? There is nowhere on the Indiana telecheck to indicate how old your buck was. They age Deer by examining dental wear. I remember when I harvested my first Deer at Crane the check station up there; they examined my Deer's dental wear to determine the age. The state's sample size must be pretty small, as check stations are all but extinct. All the places around me gave up their check station status when the online check-in took a firm hold.
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Post by swilk on Feb 8, 2017 17:12:01 GMT -5
According to the report Indiana did not provide any information. Neither did several other states yet they still claim "we did it!!"
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Post by davers on Feb 9, 2017 4:49:38 GMT -5
They age Deer by examining dental wear. I remember when I harvested my first Deer at Crane the check station up there; they examined my Deer's dental wear to determine the age. The state's sample size must be pretty small, as check stations are all but extinct. All the places around me gave up their check station status when the online check-in took a firm hold. The sampling WAS very small, as Crane was the only place where they did this age determination on Deer.
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Post by davers on Feb 9, 2017 4:51:51 GMT -5
According to the report Indiana did not provide any information. Neither did several other states yet they still claim "we did it!!" There might have been a few places, but they were far & few between. I for one always age my own Deer harvest, through dental wear.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 9, 2017 6:58:04 GMT -5
The state's sample size must be pretty small, as check stations are all but extinct. All the places around me gave up their check station status when the online check-in took a firm hold. The sampling WAS very small, as Crane was the only place where they did this age determination on Deer. Are you sure of that? It always been done at Big Oaks I pretty sure it was done on all deer at the TB area. Not sure about the state parks...
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Post by greghopper on Feb 9, 2017 7:02:47 GMT -5
According to the report Indiana did not provide any information. Neither did several other states yet they still claim "we did it!!" Doubt they need info from every state or every deer in any state...just a sample size same as the population size information!
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 9, 2017 7:21:46 GMT -5
The sampling WAS very small, as Crane was the only place where they did this age determination on Deer. Are you sure of that? It always been done at Big Oaks I pretty sure it was done on all deer at the TB area. Not sure about the state parks... As I understand it - Crane was just the first place to give it a go. Many other check points did it after that. The DNR could differentiate between bucks on the telecheck by a question "does the deer have antlers" and requiring a measurement from the nose to the tip of the eyeball - this giving a muzzle length. That could give them an idea on whether the deer was a yearling or a "mature buck". IF they had a na interest in doing so, but I don't think they care about age.
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Post by swilk on Feb 9, 2017 8:41:33 GMT -5
According to the report Indiana did not provide any information. Neither did several other states yet they still claim "we did it!!" Doubt they need info from every state or every deer in any state...just a sample size same as the population size information! That is one way to look at it. I look at it differently .... for example, take the "midwest" in the report. It was comprised of 13 states and 7 of them did not provide data for age structure. 54% did not provide data yet they averaged all 13 states based solely on the 46% that did. But you're right .... a person could look at whatever they put and just accept it without question.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 9, 2017 8:48:11 GMT -5
When check stations started I thought most where at DNR/FW locations..... I remember in 1977 checking in a Buck and it was aged/ weighed by FW person checking it.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 9, 2017 8:54:54 GMT -5
Doubt they need info from every state or every deer in any state...just a sample size same as the population size information! That is one way to look at it. I look at it differently .... for example, take the "midwest" in the report. It was comprised of 13 states and 7 of them did not provide data for age structure. 54% did not provide data yet they averaged all 13 states based solely on the 46% that did. But you're right .... a person could look at whatever they put and just accept it without question. What would they have to gain by just making up stuff for there reports.... That what I question! I don't take there reports as the gospel but it is something to look at ..IMO
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Post by swilk on Feb 9, 2017 9:04:10 GMT -5
Im not saying they are making anything up .... its just not done in a way that I would do it thats all.
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Post by throbak on Feb 9, 2017 10:37:50 GMT -5
You look long enough and hard enough You will find a study to meet your agenda I don't care if Its Preditors effects or Disease (CWD) effects there's a study that will be compleat opposites ...So imo take it or leave it and pick who you have the most faith in and believe that !
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Post by duff on Feb 9, 2017 14:09:54 GMT -5
Butcher stations are replacing the check in locations for data gathering.
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