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Post by tynimiller on Jan 30, 2017 11:27:03 GMT -5
Dealing with the major leasing companies, you have right of first renewal written into the contract. Price could go up a little, but the one holding the lease has first chance to renew. I've not ever experienced the issue of others trying to outbid for our lease. Where I could see this happening, is if you have a handshake lease with a landowner for way under market value and are not friends with the landowner. Once he finds out he can do much better, you can't hardly blame him for doing so. Yup, we don't pay for our best spot, but it is also rich in trespassing and neighboring poachers (seriously arrested types)....I still wouldn't hesitate to chalk over some serious cash to lease this spot given the deer running around HOWEVER owners grandson is starting to hunt some with a gun so we shall see how future rolls. I agree though, should one enter a lease don't do the "handshake" variety because it just opens up for hurt feelings later...while it may be odd or weird to do a legal contract/lease with a friend or someone you've known for a long time it does protect both sides of the agreement.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 30, 2017 17:49:28 GMT -5
I never make a landowner sign anything, even when I have a considerable investment in my time and work for them (no monetary investment). You will find, some people just want you to help them with something other than handing them money, or just flat out don't want you handing them cash. It is a risk, but I always ask them to respect me and to consult with me if anyone else (like family) wants to hunt. That being said, I can usually weed out people that will cause me problems, so significant risk is not there.
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Post by ms660 on Jan 30, 2017 19:51:41 GMT -5
One question for everybody that leases ground. Are the land owners requiring you to buy liability insurance? The owners of the ground we lease requires, I think it is a million dollar liability insurance. That is the main reason we are leasing this ground. The owners didn't want to be liable for anybody getting hurt on their ground. This is a very large land management company we lease from that owns 75K+ acres of ground in the USA. In the past this ground was treated like public ground for many years in my area. People abused it for many years.
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Post by beermaker on Jan 30, 2017 19:54:07 GMT -5
One question for everybody that leases ground. Are the land owners requiring you to buy liability insurance? The owners of the ground we lease requires, I think it is a million dollar liability insurance. That is the main reason we are leasing this ground. The owners didn't want to be liable for anybody getting hurt on their ground. This is a very large land management company we lease from that owns 75K+ acres of ground in the USA. In the past this ground was treated like public ground for many years in my area. People abused it for many years. Insurance is included in the cost of my lease.
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Post by steiny on Jan 31, 2017 9:24:17 GMT -5
Insurance included.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Feb 2, 2017 10:32:34 GMT -5
Good deal. Congratulations on the property and good luck getting it managed.
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Post by thecommissioner on Feb 9, 2017 18:24:22 GMT -5
tynimiller Deer hunting has been a "pay to play" world for a long time in many areas of the country. It's just taken longer for Indiana to catch up.... But now that the "barn door" is open, there is no closing it.... I started deer hunting when I was in high school. My father didn't hunt and we didn't live near any relatives who did. Deer hunting was pretty much on my own or with a fellow student. We hunted the woodlots of southeastern Michigan. We moved there from NY when I was in high school, so I didn't have much familiarity with the area. If the ground wasn't posted and far from dwellings, we figured it was okay to hunt there. Never got into any trouble and we were just high school kids, mind you. Once I got to hunt on the farm of a family friend and that was a nice experience. Fast forward to today. Without an adult helping to arrange or provide a place to hunt, I'd be confined to state land. Nothing wrong with that, as long as state land is available. There is no way my father would have leased ground for me. I'm sure he would warn me against hunting anywhere but state ground without permission. Bottom line, recruitment of new hunters is getting harder as access becomes harder. I don't begrudge landowners the right to charge for access. I also fully understand the reluctance, in this day and age, of allowing armed strangers on the property. Until we can make access more affordable to people who can't afford the access, i.e. young people, hunting will revert to what it is in the countries our ancestors emigrated from; the sport of kings.
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Post by beermaker on Feb 9, 2017 19:26:52 GMT -5
tynimiller Deer hunting has been a "pay to play" world for a long time in many areas of the country. It's just taken longer for Indiana to catch up.... But now that the "barn door" is open, there is no closing it.... I started deer hunting when I was in high school. My father didn't hunt and we didn't live near any relatives who did. Deer hunting was pretty much on my own or with a fellow student. We hunted the woodlots of southeastern Michigan. We moved there from NY when I was in high school, so I didn't have much familiarity with the area. If the ground wasn't posted and far from dwellings, we figured it was okay to hunt there. Never got into any trouble and we were just high school kids, mind you. Once I got to hunt on the farm of a family friend and that was a nice experience. Fast forward to today. Without an adult helping to arrange or provide a place to hunt, I'd be confined to state land. Nothing wrong with that, as long as state land is available. There is no way my father would have leased ground for me. I'm sure he would warn me against hunting anywhere but state ground without permission. Bottom line, recruitment of new hunters is getting harder as access becomes harder. I don't begrudge landowners the right to charge for access. I also fully understand the reluctance, in this day and age, of allowing armed strangers on the property. Until we can make access more affordable to people who can't afford the access, i.e. young people, hunting will revert to what it is in the countries our ancestors emigrated from; the sport of kings. I hear you and agree. Believe me, I'd rather spend the money on numerous other things. But, this is where I'm at and I am happy with my choice. I grew up in a similar situation. Dad has never hunted and I basically taught myself by way of trial and very much error. If I still lived where I grew up, I'd have more places to hunt than any one person could reasonably need. The are is much more rural than where I live now and I have family, friends, and various other connections. Not so where I live now.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 15, 2017 21:43:22 GMT -5
With the owner living out of state, you may have a problem with trespassers. I'd definitely get some sort of arrangement where you are allowed to handle prosecutions. Hopefully the property will be everything you want it to be and more. Myself, there's no way I'd drop even a thousand a year to hunt somewhere. I've killed a lot of really nice bucks over the years, and I wouldn't have paid a grand to kill any of them, even if guaranteed. Don't get me wrong, I love deer hunting. Short of a state or world record, no buck is worth thousands to me. I'm a tightwad. I prefer to keep my money and knock on a thousand doors instead. Lol! I just looked at the lease agreements on one of the links you posted about leasing properties. They want way too much money and no guarantee. They require a deposit and you lose the deposit if you don't pay the full lease in 7 days. Then if you find out after you pay them a $300 deposit that the property is not what you thought it was in THIER description you can't get your deposit back. $1000 to $20,000 for a year's worth of hunting.... they can stick it. I'm a tight wad too... a poor tight wad at that. I'll just knock on door and mail out letters and notes. I can buy a whole lot of stamps for $1000 dollars.
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Post by moose1am on Mar 15, 2017 21:53:09 GMT -5
Yea the Leaser wants you to pay him money up front before he even lets you see the property and then you only have 7 days after making a huge deposit to make up your mind and get the full amount of the lease to him/them. That's not for me. I'd love to have some property to hunt but I'd only want to hunt predators not deer. I'm not going out in the woods during deer hunting season when there are other people out there shooting guns at what they think is a deer when it could be me walking though the woods or sitting in a stand instead. No thanks. Too many other hunters out there to be safe enough for me. And I would not what the hassle of chasing off other hunters on a property that I leased. I'd have to have 5 other guys to share the lease with and it would have to be less expensive and let me have more time to see the place and test it to see if it's what I would want. I'm conservative and don't like to spend too much money unless it's something that I'm dying to have. And there not much that I would die to have these days. I'd only go hunting a few times a year anyway so paying thousands of dollars for a few hunts would not be practical for me.
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Post by davers on Mar 16, 2017 4:27:51 GMT -5
Yea the Leaser wants you to pay him money up front before he even lets you see the property and then you only have 7 days after making a huge deposit to make up your mind and get the full amount of the lease to him/them. That's not for me. I'd love to have some property to hunt but I'd only want to hunt predators not deer. I'm not going out in the woods during deer hunting season when there are other people out there shooting guns at what they think is a deer when it could be me walking though the woods or sitting in a stand instead. No thanks. Too many other hunters out there to be safe enough for me. And I would not what the hassle of chasing off other hunters on a property that I leased. I'd have to have 5 other guys to share the lease with and it would have to be less expensive and let me have more time to see the place and test it to see if it's what I would want. I'm conservative and don't like to spend too much money unless it's something that I'm dying to have. And there not much that I would die to have these days. I'd only go hunting a few times a year anyway so paying thousands of dollars for a few hunts would not be practical for me. The ultimate solution, for those that enjoy sport hunting, is to save their money/buy their own hunting property. Instead of giving it to someone that offers leases. However, I realize this might not be possible for many, so look for the best price on a lease and go from there. Leases, for hunting ground, will only become higher in price as suitable hunting grounds disappear.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 16, 2017 7:44:40 GMT -5
Pay in advance before being allowed on the property?
There is a scam on Craigslist now where an individual says he has a very nice home for rent at a VERY reasonable rate. He says he now lives in New Jersey so he cant show the house, BUT if you send him a healthy deposit he will arrange for someone to show it to the potential renter. Guess what? He doesn't own the home...It was a for sale home that he just stole the picture of...
Another one (might be the same person)wants a months rent up front before he would show a home. Same deal...
Not saying this is going on here, but I'd never pay any deposit on anything I could not see.. No "pig in a poke" for me.
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Post by 76chevy on Mar 20, 2017 6:30:26 GMT -5
sounds like you made the right descision for you. I am saving to purchase my own ground though. I will hunt on permission and public until then.
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