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Post by M4Madness on Jan 28, 2017 21:53:03 GMT -5
You want to act like we are interested just to walk around the area? Always thought that spot looked good! The landowner is the farm manager for one of my landowners.
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Post by duff on Jan 28, 2017 22:06:37 GMT -5
Too bad he fell for bcl. Seems to me they have little risk and only drive cost.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 28, 2017 22:16:42 GMT -5
Too bad he fell for bcl. Seems to me they have little risk and only drive cost. The ball started rolling during the drought of 2012. My largest landowner owns a large cattle operation, with cattle spread out on at least a half dozen farms. She contacted in early 2013 and informed me that she had been approached by the leasing company, and considering her losses due to the drought, she agreed to lease her farms for hunting. But, she said that she would not lease the 350 acres that I hunted for 20 years due to our long friendship. So, "my" farm is the only one not being leased, and I could never repay her for that generosity. Her nephew manages her cattle operation and is the liaison for the leases, so it's no surprise that he would eventually lease his own farm.
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Post by davers on Jan 29, 2017 6:03:35 GMT -5
Never have. Never will. $3000 will buy a lot of beef. The major problem with these hunting leases is the fact that some other Hunter or Hunting Group; will most likely offer to pay more for that lease (if it's a good one). Thus, Hunters with "deeper pockets" will almost always end-up with said hunting lease, and the Hunter, that hunted it several years, only to be out bid and lose his hunting lease. Money talks!
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 29, 2017 7:44:06 GMT -5
Just this week on here somewhere I mentioned that if I can't kill on the family farm I just wouldn't hunt. Well, that's true except for squirrel. I love squirrel hunting! Getting out and slipping through uncharted woodland just does something for me!A few years ago I approached a person I knew about hunting her woods. She told me it was leased which I didn't know but that she knew these people wouldn't be down in the middle of the week so go ahead.This woods had a lot of ginseng in it but no more.The people that leased the land dug up all the ginseng and sold it then used that money to pay for the lease.She was getting paid with her own money basically.I have heard of others doing the same thing by cutting firewood off the leases and making enough from that to pay for it.
Something's just not right about all that! Wade
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Post by duff on Jan 29, 2017 8:28:07 GMT -5
Contracts complicate things and life would be much easier if this wasn't the way we live. However if the contract gave the leasee free range maybe firewood and roots were included.
Just as she letting you back there because they only hunt weekends could have violated a contract too.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 29, 2017 9:10:24 GMT -5
She told me it was leased which I didn't know but that she knew these people wouldn't be down in the middle of the week so go ahead.This woods had a lot of ginseng in it but no more.The people that leased the land dug up all the ginseng and sold it then used that money to pay for the lease.She was getting paid with her own money basically.I have heard of others doing the same thing by cutting firewood off the leases and making enough from that to pay for it. Something's just not right about all that! Wade Something's not right either about allowing other hunters on someone's lease, regardless of the species of game. That said, I don't condone the harvesting of ginseng or firewood without permission, and it should be grounds for revoking the lease. EDIT: I guess Duff beat me to it. Lol!
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Post by beermaker on Jan 29, 2017 10:18:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the (most) comments and well-wishes. I'll add a few thoughts and answers.
I do have the right to post and prosecute trespassers. The landowner had a problem with road hunters a few years ago. He invited the CO's to set up a sting and they busted two locals. I don't foresee any issues.
I'm not currently looking for anymore lease partners, but I'll keep those in mind who have expressed interest.
I have come to realize that it is silly to attempt to financially justify most hobbies. I didn't set out to find a place to strictly shoot deer. I wanted a place to hike, get my kids out of the house and introduced to the outdoors, take friends & family on a hunt, improve habitat, mental health, etc. Yes, I could have bought a good stock of beef and other groceries instead. Anyone go on a hunting trip out of state? Does the meat offset the cost of a license, fuel, lodging, etc? How about a fishing trip? I go on a four day trip every spring and spend about $400. We catch enough to eat at the cabin, but I've yet to bring any home. I'll keep on going.
There's no guarantee that I will be here tomorrow. I do my best to enjoy and be thankful for each day.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 29, 2017 10:46:18 GMT -5
Just got permission to hunt 32 acres five minutes from home. Helped out a guy from church yesterday and asked if he allowed any hunters, he said sure another fella from church used to hunt it but he's about 80 now so he quit.
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Post by jackryan on Jan 29, 2017 12:39:04 GMT -5
Never have. Never will. $3000 will buy a lot of beef. The major problem with these hunting leases is the fact that some other Hunter or Hunting Group; will most likely offer to pay more for that lease (if it's a good one). Thus, Hunters with "deeper pockets" will almost always end-up with said hunting lease, and the Hunter, that hunted it several years, only to be out bid and lose his hunting lease. Money talks!People who NEED the ego boost and don't have real hunting skills will ALWAYS out bid people who know how to hunt. They are the same guys cleaning out the Walmart shelves every season because they can't afford to take more than a day or two off work and NEED to BUY a kill to smooth their ego enough to face the corporate world again. They could buy it all a lot cheaper about June or July with an abandon mount from the taxidermist and tell all the same bull crap lies around the water cooler. They aren't hunters. They are just wishy washy golfers who follow every trend like a leaf in the wind. Next year they'll be crying to the legislature about how they need a new, different, better gun or they should be allowed to dump a corn pile and sit on it.
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Post by swilk on Jan 29, 2017 13:29:46 GMT -5
Lol, you're an interesting fella I'll give ya that.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 29, 2017 13:47:40 GMT -5
Dang Golfer's get all the Best leases..lol
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 29, 2017 13:56:35 GMT -5
Dang Golfer's get all the Best leases..lol I put them right there next to lawyers
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Post by greghopper on Jan 29, 2017 14:09:16 GMT -5
Dang Golfer's get all the Best leases..lol I put them right there next to lawyers May have to take up Golfing being how NASCAR is about to end.Choices... lol
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Post by esshup on Jan 29, 2017 20:59:10 GMT -5
You might say I lease a place. A client of mine asked if I wanted to hunt his place and I jumped at the chance. Nobody, not even family hunts the place. It started out as only deer, but has changed to turkey, squirrel and coyote. I trade pond consulting/work for the right to hunt there. I have the ability to turn in trespassers and have a letter on file with the DNR saying such.
Since I am there at odd times, the trespass issues he had have dropped way down, almost to 0.
He's been a client for 7 years now, and I've hunted there for 6. The relationship is more than just client/business owner now, he's a friend.
He has rules that I follow, like not field dressing a deer there. His property, his rules. He is only 11 miles from home, so it's not a big deal to bring the deer home and field dress it here.
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Post by davers on Jan 30, 2017 5:30:28 GMT -5
You might say I lease a place. A client of mine asked if I wanted to hunt his place and I jumped at the chance. Nobody, not even family hunts the place. It started out as only deer, but has changed to turkey, squirrel and coyote. I trade pond consulting/work for the right to hunt there. I have the ability to turn in trespassers and have a letter on file with the DNR saying such. Since I am there at odd times, the trespass issues he had have dropped way down, almost to 0. He's been a client for 7 years now, and I've hunted there for 6. The relationship is more than just client/business owner now, he's a friend. He has rules that I follow, like not field dressing a deer there. His property, his rules. He is only 11 miles from home, so it's not a big deal to bring the deer home and field dress it here. Sounds good, esshup.
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Post by duff on Jan 30, 2017 6:06:38 GMT -5
You might say I lease a place. A client of mine asked if I wanted to hunt his place and I jumped at the chance. Nobody, not even family hunts the place. It started out as only deer, but has changed to turkey, squirrel and coyote. I trade pond consulting/work for the right to hunt there. I have the ability to turn in trespassers and have a letter on file with the DNR saying such. Since I am there at odd times, the trespass issues he had have dropped way down, almost to 0. He's been a client for 7 years now, and I've hunted there for 6. The relationship is more than just client/business owner now, he's a friend. He has rules that I follow, like not field dressing a deer there. His property, his rules. He is only 11 miles from home, so it's not a big deal to bring the deer home and field dress it here. Exactly. A lease comes in many forms. Biggest difference is a formal contract.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 30, 2017 6:22:19 GMT -5
I truly hope you enjoy yourself your time and your family with this venture. What has been said earlier in this thread will be echoed here. I also truly hope noe one out bids you for your peice of ground. That's always been my fear, for that reason I won't pay to hunt, I'll either hunt public or knock on doors. Usually it's public and if you do the work it can be just as good but it ain't easy and as you've stated it can be very far from home. Good luck.
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Post by tynimiller on Jan 30, 2017 10:01:24 GMT -5
I'll be honest most of the fellas I know that pay the heavy lease fees are the deep pocketed but very serious hunters....I am only half of that equation personally.
Time will fall short when comes the day I'll have to lease, I can only pray I have enough to hold on to the very prime spot I have.
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Post by steiny on Jan 30, 2017 11:22:07 GMT -5
Dealing with the major leasing companies, you have right of first renewal written into the contract. Price could go up a little, but the one holding the lease has first chance to renew. I've not ever experienced the issue of others trying to outbid for our lease.
Where I could see this happening, is if you have a handshake lease with a landowner for way under market value and are not friends with the landowner. Once he finds out he can do much better, you can't hardly blame him for doing so.
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