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Post by bill9068 on Jan 3, 2017 13:10:34 GMT -5
A good friend of mine was coyote hunting with his brother and told me this story. They set up on private property in perry county and one was on a woodline to a ag field and the other 90 degrees to his right but about 60 -70 yards apart. They had a electronic caller and set it up and started calling. My friends brother started waving his arms after about 20 minutes so my friend walked to meet him in the field. His brother asked him what was crawling down in the tree behind where my friend set up, his brother said something black was coming down a tree just a few yards from my friend. My friend didn't hear of see anything so they went to the spot and found tracks similar to the ones posted above. He took photo's of the tracks and sent them to the DNR but they have not responded back with a ID, all they could say it was some sort of feline. This was in Jan of 16, this hunting season my friend saw 5 deer total on 240 acres, they usually kill a couple of nice bucks on this property, I have killed on this property many times. Predator running deer off this property? My property is 5 miles from thiers, I saw about 50 deer this season.
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Post by span870 on Jan 3, 2017 15:51:56 GMT -5
A good friend of mine was coyote hunting with his brother and told me this story. They set up on private property in perry county and one was on a woodline to a ag field and the other 90 degrees to his right but about 60 -70 yards apart. They had a electronic caller and set it up and started calling. My friends brother started waving his arms after about 20 minutes so my friend walked to meet him in the field. His brother asked him what was crawling down in the tree behind where my friend set up, his brother said something black was coming down a tree just a few yards from my friend. My friend didn't hear of see anything so they went to the spot and found tracks similar to the ones posted above. He took photo's of the tracks and sent them to the DNR but they have not responded back with a ID, all they could say it was some sort of feline. This was in Jan of 16, this hunting season my friend saw 5 deer total on 240 acres, they usually kill a couple of nice bucks on this property, I have killed on this property many times. Predator running deer off this property? My property is 5 miles from thiers, I saw about 50 deer this season. If you were assuming a black mountain lion there has never, ever, ever been a black mountain lion proven to ever exist, ever. Now if you are assuming a black Jaguar than it pretty far fetched as their home range is Mexico and south America. More likely if what was seen was a black cat it very unlikely but could have been a black bobcat.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 3, 2017 16:08:50 GMT -5
Who knows if it's "too many" but coyotes in particular are eating a lot more deer, i think, than is generally known.
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Post by span870 on Jan 3, 2017 16:18:10 GMT -5
Probably one of the few on here that believe the coyote gets a bad rap. Find the argument that they are killing too many kind of funny. I read pages and pages on here and other forums arguing that the deer herd is down and we need to stop shooting deer. The deer herd is up and we need to shoot more. Localized, not localized. Hpr is going to kill to many deer. Then the numbers come out and we are where we usually are. So if the deer herd is pretty much stable how exactly are predators taking too many deer? The number one predator of deer is human. Are they taking too many for them to survive or too many that maybe some have to hunt harder? I believe that take way less than most people think and way less turkeys than most think. I think alot of the den "studies" done don't take into account natural loss numbers of first year does birthing, and losing young. If I can remember correctly the number of loss births from first year does was north of 85%. Do they get a fawn here and there? I'm sure but not enough to cause a blip on the radar. Are they killing full grown, healthy adults? Not happening. I'd venture to bet most adult deer killed by predators were on their way to dying anyway. Show me a study that proves it, and not a pile of bones, proves they are actually the one killing and I'll believe it. The farm I hunt on is loaded with coyotes, loaded. We definitely don't have a lack of deer and I'd say we probably have a surplus. Don't think I've ever known anyone to kill a coyote on the property. I think alot of people don't want to see the real problem. I've had customers tell me, dang coyotes killing all our rabbits while they have 20 feral cats on their porch. Dang coyotes killed my chickens in my pen. Ripped the heads off and left everything else. Try trapping the coon. Coyotes killed my chickens and just left them laying. The neighborhood dog walks into the yard.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 3, 2017 16:30:12 GMT -5
A good friend of mine was coyote hunting with his brother and told me this story. They set up on private property in perry county and one was on a woodline to a ag field and the other 90 degrees to his right but about 60 -70 yards apart. They had a electronic caller and set it up and started calling. My friends brother started waving his arms after about 20 minutes so my friend walked to meet him in the field. His brother asked him what was crawling down in the tree behind where my friend set up, his brother said something black was coming down a tree just a few yards from my friend. My friend didn't hear of see anything so they went to the spot and found tracks similar to the ones posted above. He took photo's of the tracks and sent them to the DNR but they have not responded back with a ID, all they could say it was some sort of feline. This was in Jan of 16, this hunting season my friend saw 5 deer total on 240 acres, they usually kill a couple of nice bucks on this property, I have killed on this property many times. Predator running deer off this property? My property is 5 miles from thiers, I saw about 50 deer this season. If you were assuming a black mountain lion there has never, ever, ever been a black mountain lion proven to ever exist, ever. Now if you are assuming a black Jaguar than it pretty far fetched as their home range is Mexico and south America. More likely if what was seen was a black cat it very unlikely but could have been a black bobcat. I'M not assuming anything, just relaying a story. Make your own assumptions on what it was or wasnt.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 3, 2017 17:28:52 GMT -5
There were stories of a big black cat in Perry County way back when I started deer hunting there in the early 90's-just saying a reputable source also
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 3, 2017 17:41:44 GMT -5
A good friend of mine was coyote hunting with his brother and told me this story. They set up on private property in perry county and one was on a woodline to a ag field and the other 90 degrees to his right but about 60 -70 yards apart. They had a electronic caller and set it up and started calling. My friends brother started waving his arms after about 20 minutes so my friend walked to meet him in the field. His brother asked him what was crawling down in the tree behind where my friend set up, his brother said something black was coming down a tree just a few yards from my friend. My friend didn't hear of see anything so they went to the spot and found tracks similar to the ones posted above. He took photo's of the tracks and sent them to the DNR but they have not responded back with a ID, all they could say it was some sort of feline. This was in Jan of 16, this hunting season my friend saw 5 deer total on 240 acres, they usually kill a couple of nice bucks on this property, I have killed on this property many times. Predator running deer off this property? My property is 5 miles from thiers, I saw about 50 deer this season. If you were assuming a black mountain lion there has never, ever, ever been a black mountain lion proven to ever exist, ever. Now if you are assuming a black Jaguar than it pretty far fetched as their home range is Mexico and south America. More likely if what was seen was a black cat it very unlikely but could have been a black bobcat. I wouldn't be surprised if there are/has been black mountain lions, after seeing that black bobcat. Like the bobcat, though, it would be an extremely rare thing. I think most large black cat sightings are probably a Labrador or similar dog. There's also always the possibility of an escaped exotic pet.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 3, 2017 18:05:30 GMT -5
I responded with the single not sure; Because I haven't seen any difference in my local area/back yard. It seems like my area has had a decrease in the coyote and fox population( I only shot one coyote last year and only saw a fox once), I suspect they've been hunted more over the past two years. Another indicator for my area is an increase of rabbit sightings( very few in 2014) and seeing turkeys on the property for the first time in 30 years. If you're seeing more rabbits, I don't think you have a coyote problem. This is really good. It would be a good time to thin out those turkey egg eating critters. I've been doing all I can to do help the turkey population increase around me. I'm actually happy with what I have, and trying to keep them around. Land owner says that in his 18 years living there that 2016 was the first year that he'd ever seen them.
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Post by wesb81219 on Jan 3, 2017 18:34:54 GMT -5
The DNR was using black special ops helicopters to drop wild cougars in selected areas in hopes of controlling the deer populations and now they are dropping more cougars in hopes of controlling the expanding population of bobcats. My sister in law got this from her cousin who was out one night illegally digging ginseng when he saw this happen. I wonder if the cougars repel down a line or parachute in !?!
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Post by span870 on Jan 3, 2017 18:49:24 GMT -5
If you were assuming a black mountain lion there has never, ever, ever been a black mountain lion proven to ever exist, ever. Now if you are assuming a black Jaguar than it pretty far fetched as their home range is Mexico and south America. More likely if what was seen was a black cat it very unlikely but could have been a black bobcat. I wouldn't be surprised if there are/has been black mountain lions, after seeing that black bobcat. Like the bobcat, though, it would be an extremely rare thing. I think most large black cat sightings are probably a Labrador or similar dog. There's also always the possibility of an escaped exotic pet. Agree with you about maybe an escaped black panther or Jaguar. When I first moved down here I heard the stories. Started doing some research on it. I have yet to find anyone, anywhere that says that there ever has been a black mountain lion. I'm hesitant on the escaped pet though. I'd say like you a lab. That or sometimes we see what we want to see. There is actually a reason why there are black bobcats and not lions. Something to do with spotting allowing the melanism to come out. Don't remember what it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 19:01:12 GMT -5
Probably one of the few on here that believe the coyote gets a bad rap. Find the argument that they are killing too many kind of funny. I read pages and pages on here and other forums arguing that the deer herd is down and we need to stop shooting deer. The deer herd is up and we need to shoot more. Localized, not localized. Hpr is going to kill to many deer. Then the numbers come out and we are where we usually are. So if the deer herd is pretty much stable how exactly are predators taking too many deer? The number one predator of deer is human. Are they taking too many for them to survive or too many that maybe some have to hunt harder? I believe that take way less than most people think and way less turkeys than most think. I think alot of the den "studies" done don't take into account natural loss numbers of first year does birthing, and losing young. If I can remember correctly the number of loss births from first year does was north of 85%. Do they get a fawn here and there? I'm sure but not enough to cause a blip on the radar. Are they killing full grown, healthy adults? Not happening. I'd venture to bet most adult deer killed by predators were on their way to dying anyway. Show me a study that proves it, and not a pile of bones, proves they are actually the one killing and I'll believe it. The farm I hunt on is loaded with coyotes, loaded. We definitely don't have a lack of deer and I'd say we probably have a surplus. Don't think I've ever known anyone to kill a coyote on the property. I think alot of people don't want to see the real problem. I've had customers tell me, dang coyotes killing all our rabbits while they have 20 feral cats on their porch. Dang coyotes killed my chickens in my pen. Ripped the heads off and left everything else. Try trapping the coon. Coyotes killed my chickens and just left them laying. The neighborhood dog walks into the yard. Hunter is #4 predator per this article from Michigan. I know most companies shut down for gun week. A lot of hunters. www.mlive.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2012/04/experts_surprised_by_which_pre.htmlBut what researchers found this past winter, the third year of a western U.P. deer mortality study, is that coyotes were the No. 1 predator followed by bobcats. Wolves came in fourth after a three-way tie among hunters, unknown predators and undetermined causes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 19:06:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if there are/has been black mountain lions, after seeing that black bobcat. Like the bobcat, though, it would be an extremely rare thing. I think most large black cat sightings are probably a Labrador or similar dog. There's also always the possibility of an escaped exotic pet. Agree with you about maybe an escaped black panther or Jaguar. When I first moved down here I heard the stories. Started doing some research on it. I have yet to find anyone, anywhere that says that there ever has been a black mountain lion. I'm hesitant on the escaped pet though. I'd say like you a lab. That or sometimes we see what we want to see. There is actually a reason why there are black bobcats and not lions. Something to do with spotting allowing the melanism to come out. Don't remember what it was. Ohio Fish and Game told me that one Cougar was from a pet and the other they didn't know where it came from. They caught both at the White Water forest , tagged them and released. Jennifer stated that the male will pass through 2 or 3 times a year and has about a 35 mile territory. The male will travel the territory to keep other males out. They think my yard is on his 3-4 month path. I'm hoping to get a pictures. My cameras is not out now. It stopped working on the 23rd
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Post by span870 on Jan 3, 2017 19:39:19 GMT -5
Agree with you about maybe an escaped black panther or Jaguar. When I first moved down here I heard the stories. Started doing some research on it. I have yet to find anyone, anywhere that says that there ever has been a black mountain lion. I'm hesitant on the escaped pet though. I'd say like you a lab. That or sometimes we see what we want to see. There is actually a reason why there are black bobcats and not lions. Something to do with spotting allowing the melanism to come out. Don't remember what it was. Ohio Fish and Game told me that one Jaguar was from a pet and the other they didn't know where it came from. They caught both at the White Water forest , tagged them and released. Jennifer stated that the male will pass through 2 or 3 times a year and has about a 35 mile territory. The male will travel the territory to keep other males out. They think my yard is on his 3-4 month path. I'm hoping to get a pictures. My cameras is not out now. It stopped working on the 23rd Here's my question. If they trapped and tagged it, why wouldn't they return it to the owner? If a pet deer gets out and they trap it, return. Bear same. Actually any animal. Heck even dogs. But a Jaguar that isn't native they let go?
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Post by throbak on Jan 3, 2017 19:52:40 GMT -5
No one predator is Man kinda misleading imo doesn't mean it's a problem
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 3, 2017 19:56:58 GMT -5
The DNR was using black special ops helicopters to drop wild cougars in selected areas in hopes of controlling the deer populations and now they are dropping more cougars in hopes of controlling the expanding population of bobcats. My sister in law got this from her cousin who was out one night illegally digging ginseng when he saw this happen. This is how the aliens drop off the bipedals too ...really. Well, they don't use helicopters, but everyone already knows this.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 3, 2017 20:01:01 GMT -5
I'm assuming that there's a healthy ratio of predators. We need them. If the coon's predator was doing its job, I wouldn't have to do it for them.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 3, 2017 20:30:31 GMT -5
I sure do hear a lot of complaints from Wisconsin about the wolves. I'll probably skip the hunt I was looking into there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 20:33:03 GMT -5
Ohio Fish and Game told me that one Jaguar was from a pet and the other they didn't know where it came from. They caught both at the White Water forest , tagged them and released. Jennifer stated that the male will pass through 2 or 3 times a year and has about a 35 mile territory. The male will travel the territory to keep other males out. They think my yard is on his 3-4 month path. I'm hoping to get a pictures. My cameras is not out now. It stopped working on the 23rd Here's my question. If they trapped and tagged it, why wouldn't they return it to the owner? If a pet deer gets out and they trap it, return. Bear same. Actually any animal. Heck even dogs. But a Jaguar that isn't native they let go? They think it was a pet, from a few years ago and they owner moved to Arizona. The female had kittens in the past and let them be I guess. Cougar are native to Ohio and Indiana. Black Panthers are not. I just fixed the camera and hope to set it up tomorrow.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 3, 2017 20:39:12 GMT -5
I thought a jaguar and black panther were the same. I've heard the jaguars are notorious for electrical problems.
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Post by bill9068 on Jan 3, 2017 20:39:23 GMT -5
There was a guy in perry county that had a pet bear. Let me make my tin foil hat before anyone responds, think I just heard a black helicopter or was it a UFO?
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