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Post by jackryan on Dec 4, 2016 19:42:23 GMT -5
So it brings up the question to those that do leave stands on public land. If you came in to hunt your stand and someone beat you there and was hunting out of their own stand in the tree beside yours, what do you do? It's just about a coin flip what I'd do. Depends on my mood and all the other variables. I've seen at one time or another just about every possibility you can think of would ever occur on public land and a few I never even dreamed of until it happened. Private land to really. People I knew. People I just met and people I met at the tree for the first time ever. I can't say I have a hard and fast rule on how I'd react. As a general rule I figure I'm just about as average run of the mill guy as there is so my first inclination is this guy isn't much different.Until they show me they are. Then there's the guy who marked his path from his truck to his "spot" with a can of red spray paint. I doubt I'd much care what he thought and do what ever I planned when I got out of bed that morning just like the guy was invisible.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 4, 2016 19:50:56 GMT -5
If scouting on draw Huns where allowed if you scout a area and flag it put your stand up ! you guys saying tough do do if some one goes in and put their stand up where you scouted out?? I don't hunt PUBLIC much. So honestly don't know the rules !! There are no rules. Forget about rules. I'd do the same thing if it was you or Woody, any one else or my own brother I walked in on and saw up there. Or if I looked down and saw THEM walking in on me. I'll act like a brother until someone else acts like a Dick. Then I'll observe and adjust. I'm retired. It's not my first, last or only day to hunt. I'll get up and go hunting again tomorrow and not to work the rest of the week. If I just turn around and walk to my next spot or if I walk in and climb up the tree next to you isn't going to be a big win or loss to me.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 5, 2016 5:36:06 GMT -5
Here's my take, I hunt exclusivly on public ground. Sit on the ground until first light, if no one shows get in the stand. If you're sitting there on the ground and someone walks up move to plan B. If I walked up on someone in my stand before dawn I'd be mad, if they were on the ground then hey the "spot" is their's. If I was so late that someone was in that spot I should have gotten there earlier. BUT!!!!! You can dang well bet I'm going to beat you there next time! LOL. Most stands this time of year are not used I think if you use this method you'll find the results will work in your favor.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 5, 2016 8:34:11 GMT -5
Honestly, if there was a major issue with improper treestand etiquette, I could see the DNR going to climber stands only and none allowed to be left overnight or no stands at all.
Everybody has their own thoughts on the matter, but the question has been answered on a legal basis already. In the end, someone's ethics are their own business, but the law wins out.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 5, 2016 10:07:35 GMT -5
Honestly I hardly EVER use tree stands I leave in the woods any more. I put up four this year and sat in one of them with a gun and they are all back in the barn now.
There are so many people out there now who hunt the same way people fish in Wisconsin, "Hey LOOK! There's somebody, he must have a good spot. Let's go over there!" If not that then they are saying "Look! Free tree stands! We could use that at home!"
I use my climber and as near as possible the only clue I've been there is a couple marks on the tree between the ground and eye level. No tapes, no cans on the trees, no reflectors, no cut or broken over trees. May be a gut pile. I've seen, followed, watched all that and more. Painted trees, tree stands light up like Christmas trees, trash and cigarettes laying every where. Dead deer they don't bother to look for behind every other bush.
Why would any one show those morons where they hunt? I'll learn their habits like I learn any other dumb animal but their days of learning anything from me were over long ago.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 5, 2016 10:37:50 GMT -5
Illegal to use someone else's stand without permission
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Oct 3, 2014 at 8:17pm likePost Options Post by morrison on Oct 3, 2014 at 8:17pm It would have to be used by someone the owner gave permission to. Just because it is placed on public land, legally and within all the regulations of statute and administrative rules, doesn't give someone the authority to exert unauthorized control over the item. This is not a hunting statute but would fall under conversion or exerting unauthorized control over property that belongs to another. If you are in the stand, you have pretty much taken control.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 10:41:27 GMT -5
Illegal to use someone else's stand without permission morrison Moderator ***** morrison Avatar Posts: 618 Oct 3, 2014 at 8:17pm likePost Options Post by morrison on Oct 3, 2014 at 8:17pm It would have to be used by someone the owner gave permission to. Just because it is placed on public land, legally and within all the regulations of statute and administrative rules, doesn't give someone the authority to exert unauthorized control over the item. This is not a hunting statute but would fall under conversion or exerting unauthorized control over property that belongs to another. If you are in the stand, you have pretty much taken control. Exactly... That's the info I posted in this thread already !
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 5, 2016 11:11:03 GMT -5
definitely falls under the definition of "conversion" if you think about it.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2016 12:52:23 GMT -5
so, just put your own stand in the same tree.....
amazing that these conversations even need to happen.
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Post by hornzilla on Dec 5, 2016 13:40:43 GMT -5
so, just put your own stand in the same tree..... amazing that these conversations even need to happen. Make sure your the top stand. You might end up with a hat full.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 5, 2016 14:00:07 GMT -5
Illegal to use someone else's stand without permission morrison Moderator ***** morrison Avatar Posts: 618 Oct 3, 2014 at 8:17pm likePost Options Post by morrison on Oct 3, 2014 at 8:17pm It would have to be used by someone the owner gave permission to. Just because it is placed on public land, legally and within all the regulations of statute and administrative rules, doesn't give someone the authority to exert unauthorized control over the item. This is not a hunting statute but would fall under conversion or exerting unauthorized control over property that belongs to another. If you are in the stand, you have pretty much taken control. Exactly... That's the info I posted in this thread already ! Yup. I copied and pasted for those too lazy to click the link
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 6, 2016 18:03:44 GMT -5
If I found someone sitting in one of my ladder stands, he or she best be able to get out before I start disassembly. I'm thinking that if you found someone else sitting in your stand and you started disassembly and caused that person to fall and be injured, I'm betting no court in the state is going to see it your way and not hold you liable for damages. Furthermore, if you are in the process of doing something that could threaten the life of the stranger in your stand, I bet he would have a good case for claiming self-defense using lethal force against you. Two wrongs don't make a right. If the stranger sitting in your stand refuses to get out of it, I think your only recourse is to contact the DNR or property manager and have them come out and deal with the situation. That being said, I think the ultimate solution here is to just carry your stand in with you on the day you want to hunt public property.
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 6, 2016 18:09:59 GMT -5
So it brings up the question to those that do leave stands on public land. If you came in to hunt your stand and someone beat you there and was hunting out of their own stand in the tree beside yours, what do you do? If the guy is the 1 in 10 million who isn't willing to reason with you, I'd start by taking minute to make sure to I used to facilities right below my tree, then climb up and have a jolly good time spending time in the woods with my new neighbor. My opinion on this issue is this: first come, first served. I wouldn't be a jerk to the other guy in his own stand by doing something at the bottom of mine that would keep us both from seeing deer. Yea, I would think what he did wasn't exactly ethical but it is what it is. I would move on and find another spot to hunt, or I would quietly climb up into mine and hunt, without creating a scene.
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Post by thebellcompany on Dec 7, 2016 0:59:29 GMT -5
Continue the scenario, the guy sitting behind you in his stand shoots a monster buck in front of your stand while you're about to release your own arrow and it ends up being a new Indiana state record.
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 7, 2016 2:07:07 GMT -5
Continue the scenario, the guy sitting behind you in his stand shoots a monster buck in front of your stand while you're about to release your own arrow and it ends up being a new Indiana state record. Personally speaking, I don't care who you are...I'm not sitting in front of you with my back to you if you have a weapon. So that scenario you cite wouldn't apply to me because I simply wouldn't put myself in that situation. That being said, I wouldn't hunt right on top of another guy just to prove a point - even if he was being a jerk. I would rather find another place to hunt if he was there first. It would be cool to shoot a state record buck but I'm not going to lose sleep over it if I never do.
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Post by duff on Dec 7, 2016 4:55:45 GMT -5
That is my thought too. I will avoid another guy to best of my abilities regardless if my stand is in one spot and he is there near my stand I would rather find a log to sit on someplace else.
The park hunts I have been to shed much light on respecting area...or not. It was crazy!
Morrison did answer my question. It is illegal to use another guys property without concent. If I climb in and you come out and I don't leave I am guilty of hunter harassment as well. No discussion on hunting on the ground under the stand or in a tree next to another stand but that would certainly be 1st come 1st served.
Be respectful and. have multiple spots scouted and contengencies when hunting is best advice.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 7, 2016 10:41:28 GMT -5
Continue the scenario, the guy sitting behind you in his stand shoots a monster buck in front of your stand while you're about to release your own arrow and it ends up being a new Indiana state record. Sux to be you. lol Maybe next time
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 7, 2016 13:40:01 GMT -5
The park hunts I have been to shed much light on respecting area...or not. It was crazy! I was curious how hunters acted on those park hunts you have to get drawn for as opposed to how they act on public land... Same?
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Post by medic22 on Dec 7, 2016 13:41:08 GMT -5
The park hunts I have been to shed much light on respecting area...or not. It was crazy! I was curious how hunters acted on those park hunts you have to get drawn for as opposed to how they act on public land... Same? About like they own all the land and the deer
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Post by subzero350 on Dec 7, 2016 13:56:22 GMT -5
I was curious how hunters acted on those park hunts you have to get drawn for as opposed to how they act on public land... Same? About like they own all the land and the deer LOL - doesn't sound much different than the neighboring property owners of the two private properties I hunt.
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