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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 20, 2016 9:50:42 GMT -5
And that is why if there is a problem with deer numbers is Why !! And I'm not condemning anyone People lease and pay good money to kill deer And that kind of Action will determine what you are seeing Exactly....some folks will kill just to kill! But an overwhelming majority of folks don't. I have said in the past and I'll say it again - each Hunter should try their best to know their area and the deer in it and hunt accordingly. In my sons lease it is commonplace to see a hundred deer in a field before dark. If you don't have enough deer to satisfy you, quit shooting does. Got too many? Shoot some does. It's as simple as that ..
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 20, 2016 10:01:37 GMT -5
Btw - Woodmaster and his crew tries to take at least a dozen does off their lease every year... Between IJ and a few others that hunt our property (some of which I wasn't privy to) we took 15 off our 300 acres a few years ago, too many to me. So I've tried to stay on top of who all is hunting our property now. 15 doesn't really sound like too many to me, off of 300 acres (assuming it's all good habitat). My private land spots are 30 acres or less, and we average more than 1.5 does off of them. It's nice though that you guys have a spot that big that you can try to manage it to your own goals.
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 20, 2016 10:09:40 GMT -5
I have set a doe goal of 10-12 off our 150 acre's this season. Have seen 20-24 doe's on 3 different set's already this season. Last year we weren't seeing near as many and only harvested 3. It appears we had a bumper crop of yearlings as many we are seeing are yearlings but nonetheless we are in reduction mode this season.
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 20, 2016 10:09:51 GMT -5
Please run some my way, I hunt what I can eat. I've passed on at least 10+ does the last couple weeks. I'll take one for sure to get my second buck, but I'll keep em around for now to draw the bucks in. Everyman hunts to his purpose, I don't begrudge a hunter who wants to kill lots of deer. Thats his right within the law.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 20, 2016 10:21:22 GMT -5
Exactly....some folks will kill just to kill! But an overwhelming majority of folks don't. I have said in the past and I'll say it again - each Hunter should try their best to know their area and the deer in it and hunt accordingly. In my sons lease it is commonplace to see a hundred deer in a field before dark. If you don't have enough deer to satisfy you, quit shooting does. Got too many? Shoot some does. It's as simple as that .. I agree.... But there are also some that will shoot to fill there tags then donate the meat... IMO that's killing to just be killing !
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 20, 2016 10:22:27 GMT -5
I have set a doe goal of 10-12 off our 150 acre's this season. Have seen 20-24 doe's on 3 different set's already this season. Last year we weren't seeing near as many and only harvested 3. It appears we had a bumper crop of yearlings as many we are seeing are yearlings but nonetheless we are in reduction mode this season. I'm curious, what if you didn't kill any does at all? Is it just a sustainability issue, where you'll have too many for the available browse in the area? Having only hunted small parcels and public land, it seems like more does would equate to more bucks. I've also heard guys say that fewer does means bucks have to move more to find them, but it also seems like they would seek out areas with higher doe numbers. I'm not criticizing your management at all, just want to know for my own understanding.
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Post by span870 on Oct 20, 2016 10:26:38 GMT -5
But an overwhelming majority of folks don't. I have said in the past and I'll say it again - each Hunter should try their best to know their area and the deer in it and hunt accordingly. In my sons lease it is commonplace to see a hundred deer in a field before dark. If you don't have enough deer to satisfy you, quit shooting does. Got too many? Shoot some does. It's as simple as that .. I agree.... But there are also some that will shoot to fill there tags then donate the meat... IMO that's killing to just be killing ! Have to agree here. Not a big fan on the kill and donate.
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Post by chasingtails on Oct 20, 2016 10:36:08 GMT -5
I agree.... But there are also some that will shoot to fill there tags then donate the meat... IMO that's killing to just be killing ! Have to agree here. Not a big fan on the kill and donate. Where does that meat really go? In other customers orders to make them happy to come back?
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Post by ironjaw on Oct 20, 2016 11:02:10 GMT -5
Every deer that I've donated, has gone to a family that hadn't gotten one yet, or physically unable, or offered to the landowner
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 20, 2016 11:10:21 GMT -5
I have set a doe goal of 10-12 off our 150 acre's this season. Have seen 20-24 doe's on 3 different set's already this season. Last year we weren't seeing near as many and only harvested 3. It appears we had a bumper crop of yearlings as many we are seeing are yearlings but nonetheless we are in reduction mode this season. I'm curious, what if you didn't kill any does at all? Is it just a sustainability issue, where you'll have too many for the available browse in the area? Having only hunted small parcels and public land, it seems like more does would equate to more bucks. I've also heard guys say that fewer does means bucks have to move more to find them, but it also seems like they would seek out areas with higher doe numbers. I'm not criticizing your management at all, just want to know for my own understanding. I manage the property for deer first and foremost but I do get supplemental income from my hay business. on a average year I do 3500 to 4000 square bales mostly grass hay but I raise alfalfa as well. Deer are over grassing my alfalfa fields this season and is one of reasons I am harvesting several doe's. I also have two large tracts that join me (250 acres each) where neighbor's shoot very few doe's. Not uncommon to see 40-50 deer of a evening within a mile of my house.
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Post by poc on Oct 20, 2016 11:11:41 GMT -5
I didn't mean it to sound like IJ killed all the deer. There was at least one guy with him and myself. I believe one or two of his daughters hunted also and my family. Plus a guy that has hunted our property for many years and he brought one or two with him. My nephew and a buddy were hunting too and I didn't know they were. It wasn't that anyone killed "too many" deer. Just lots of people killed some and it all added up.
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 20, 2016 11:12:09 GMT -5
I have some 15 acres of food sources designated for wildlife consisting of clover, field corn, turnips/rape and also some forage oats. That includes 5 acres of alfalfa.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 20, 2016 11:18:58 GMT -5
I'm curious, what if you didn't kill any does at all? Is it just a sustainability issue, where you'll have too many for the available browse in the area? Having only hunted small parcels and public land, it seems like more does would equate to more bucks. I've also heard guys say that fewer does means bucks have to move more to find them, but it also seems like they would seek out areas with higher doe numbers. I'm not criticizing your management at all, just want to know for my own understanding. I management the property for deer first and foremost but I do get supplemental income from my hay business. on a average year I do 3500 to 4000 square bales mostly grass hay but I raise alfalfa as well. Deer are over grassing my alfalfa fields this season and is one of reasons I am harvesting several doe's. I also have two large tracts that join me (250 acres each) where neighbor's shoot very few doe's. Not uncommon to see 40-50 deer of a evening within a mile of my house. Ok, that makes sense.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 20, 2016 11:38:03 GMT -5
Good large chunks of habitat are going to need a good number of does taken simply be design and how deer naturally will be attracted to the habitat these guys have.
The small broken up woodlots many of us hunt 6 out of one stand (or property) would most likely be excessive in most places but definitely not in this example.
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Post by span870 on Oct 20, 2016 11:53:43 GMT -5
Every deer that I've donated, has gone to a family that hadn't gotten one yet, or physically unable, or offered to the landowner That I'm okay with. The kill and donate to processor I don't like
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Post by Huntnfreak on Oct 20, 2016 12:16:49 GMT -5
Exactly....some folks will kill just to kill! But an overwhelming majority of folks don't. I have said in the past and I'll say it again - each Hunter should try their best to know their area and the deer in it and hunt accordingly. In my sons lease it is commonplace to see a hundred deer in a field before dark. If you don't have enough deer to satisfy you, quit shooting does. Got too many? Shoot some does. It's as simple as that .. Rocket Science.. ??
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 20, 2016 14:04:22 GMT -5
To further elaborate my point is to respond to the argument against folks like this shooting a higher number of does due to the concept they tell me: "If he doesn't kill "x" amount then those deer can travel to other tracts of land and spread the quarry more evenly across giving more hunters a chance." Okay...sounds great but stop, think and ponder. If a deer has a serious chunk of ground which has food, security and water.....why in the world would they leave? Simply because no one is killing them...."we gotta get out of here and go a mile East where habitat is terrible so that other guy can shoot us." Just doesn't work that way.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 20, 2016 15:06:06 GMT -5
To further elaborate my point is to respond to the argument against folks like this shooting a higher number of does due to the concept they tell me: "If he doesn't kill "x" amount then those deer can travel to other tracts of land and spread the quarry more evenly across giving more hunters a chance." Okay...sounds great but stop, think and ponder. If a deer has a serious chunk of ground which has food, security and water.....why in the world would they leave? Simply because no one is killing them...."we gotta get out of here and go a mile East where habitat is terrible so that other guy can shoot us." Just doesn't work that way. ^^^^^^ this is freaking awesome.
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 20, 2016 15:38:41 GMT -5
Well I believe you that a deer will not relocate if they have all they require, bucks will relocate when a dominant buck is killed in an area to tend the does there, and deer will relocate when that food source is depleted by over browsing. So I agree with your premise, but your also a young hunter who wasn't around when deer were scarce all over the state so take all the game you legally can but be conscious of how these other guys feel who have seen that time. Seems like to prove someone is right or wrong on this site an argument has to take place, I thought we were all on the same team here. Agree to disagree.
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Post by medic22 on Oct 20, 2016 15:45:52 GMT -5
If a deer is legally killed, a reasonable effort is made to recover a wounded animal, and the meat is consumed by a human.......then I dont really care about much else.
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