Thompson Center #13 bore cleaner or good equivalent

I read meny years back not to use a potroilun (sp) based product to clean a muzzeloader because it removes all the seasoning from the barrel. (Like a cast iron pan gets) and once the barrel gets seasoned it is ease to clean and shoots better. All I ever used was HOT HOT water then tc bore butter and never had a problem.
I do not know if the new powders work the same as the old black powder tward seasoning the barrel. Good luck.

I was not implying that cast iron and rifle barrels are the same,just that a muzzeloader can be seasoned.
The article I read had NOTHING to do with a seasoning product. It just stated that after about 100 rounds, if you had only cleaned with hot water that the gun wouldst likeley shoot better AND would clean easier.
I shot and hunted with a 54 cal tc Hawkins for 20 plus years, some years putting 200 rounds or more down range and I can say I did notice after 100 rounds the gun cleaned easier than befor. I still shoot black powder and clean my guns just as stated befor.
Please note.
I do not take posting on this form lightly. When I post, I state ,I read, was told, or heard something, letting every one know where info came from. If I have experience or first hand knolledge I will state what and how I do or do not use the info provided. I will not condem or indorse a product or method I personally have not used or have some kind of experence with. I pass experiences along to give some one new or less experence my insight so they hopefully do not make some of the mistakes I made and to tell them what I have found works or does not work for me so they have information to work with in a makeing there own decicions.
In this case I have been hunting and shooting muzzeloaders sence 1979 and have probably put more rounds down range than most. I have tried a lot of things and some were duds and some were great. I will give any one that ask my honist opinion on any thing and will say (I DO NOT KNOW) if I have no knolledge of the subject.

Thank You

Onebentarrow

What type of powder are you using? If your using Blackhorn 209 soap and water will not cut it. You need an oil based cleaner to do the job. Unless your shooting a side lock gun I don't know why you would use anything else but BH 209 unless you like the smell of rotting eggs while cleaning your gun. LOL I have been banned from cleaning my T/C White Mountian Carbine and Hawkins in the house with the FFFG black powder, she can handle my in-lines with BH 209.

I am sorry I jumped on you but SEASONING is a pet peeve of mine. If I was so inclined I could go through my old MUZZLE BLASTS and find the old add. The service was not offered long. Throw in the WWW and you have an urban legend.
I have been shooting ML for many years too. It was almost 50 years ago I shot my first muzzle loader. I made my first rifle in 1971. Most shooting was offhand rifle at matches throughout the tri-state area and Friendship. This experience brought me in contact with other shooters competing at the matches, building and working on muzzle loaders and what it takes to maintain them. The smoothing/cleanup is not the result of seasoning but rather the wear on the bore removing many of the minor burrs and imperfections. The same effect can be achieved by lapping the bore. Lapping takes a few hours to all day depending on the results you want. Most barrels over .45 are cut rifled which produces sharp edges on the grooves and some burrs on the lands. It is these burrs that are removed after several loadings.
I clean my rifles with MOS and water, usually at the range. I follow that with a generous dose of WD-40.