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Post by greghopper on Oct 18, 2016 19:40:50 GMT -5
.Who makes the decision on those wanting to be considered in Wisconsin the secretary of dnr does. Indiana will be similar position if enacted statewide. Dnr can override cdac goes off base You didn't answer the question!! Who will make the decision in Indiana as who will be considered ?? Don't be scared just give a straight forward answer.
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Post by mkfrench on Oct 18, 2016 19:51:56 GMT -5
It's been touched on already but few want to go to the deer. They want the deer where THE HUNTER is. The horse has been dead for a while. Yes I'd be pi$$ed if I bought land, and the neighbor subdivided his, ruining my hunting. It is a problem but it's one I don't see going away. Adjust or don't hunt.
I don't trust our government with much deer management included but deer hunting is a money maker. It's not going away until people quit spending on it.
Lots of talk about how good/bad other states are for deer management. Maybe you should move to a good one(in your opinion).
The deer are still here. The big hunt able tracts(for free) aren't. Farmer Johnsons 350 acre tract you hunted your whole life is now 10-15 ten to 30 acre tracts that isn't all hunt able and what is is owned or leased by someone other than you.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 18, 2016 19:53:15 GMT -5
Let's stick to the subject and leave personal stuff out of it.
Thanks...
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 19:54:42 GMT -5
You can put some hunters on prime ground and they will still have difficulty seeing deer for a variety of reasons.... Exactly..... "But it's for the Kids"..... SMH...one of the Biggest lies in this BS...IMO why do you think its a lie? Getting a stable deer herd in Every county is bad?
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 19:59:52 GMT -5
Another good thing with a cdac ,is if there is a cwd,tb or ehd out break the lines of communication and a plan of action would be easier to get to the effected county or counties. This a trial and I hope everybody takes the advantage to help their counties.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 18, 2016 20:05:04 GMT -5
Exactly..... "But it's for the Kids"..... SMH...one of the Biggest lies in this BS...IMO why do you think its a lie? Getting a stable deer herd in Every county is bad? What makes you think we don't have that now??? Because the DNR is not out counting Deer? Give me a example of a stable deer herd in any given county.....
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 18, 2016 20:09:10 GMT -5
one more time... Let's stick to the subject and leave personal stuff out of it. Thanks...
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Post by mkfrench on Oct 18, 2016 20:16:48 GMT -5
Another good thing with a cdac ,is if there is a cwd,tb or ehd out break the lines of communication and a plan of action would be easier to get to the effected county or counties. This a trial and I hope everybody takes the advantage to help their counties. False. Because this CDAC won't consist of SCIENTISTS. It will consist of Joe blows with their own agendas who think that an EHD killed deer is the end of the world. Just take a look at a certain facebook page. The info passed along by these people will be twisted beyond truth and we will be in the same situation, with another group of conspiracy theorist started with the hopes of starting an advisory committed to advise the original advisory commitee! All while god only knows where the money to pay for this crap is coming from.
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Post by GS1 on Oct 18, 2016 20:27:04 GMT -5
Give me a example of a stable deer herd in any given county..... Good question! How does the the group define stable kp44? Does the CDAC vote as a whole if the herd in a given county is stable? It would be nice if the DNR had statistics to look at to know if the herd in a given county is stable. Oh, wait a minute...
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 20:50:33 GMT -5
Biologists are involved with the cdac. It won't cost that much if any. I don't hunt every county so I don't know if any county has a stable herd. The counties I hunt have some good pockets of deer but most of the county is not very good. There will be public meeting in every county before the cdac will start to go over everything. The dnr will be also providing info on it.
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 20:52:23 GMT -5
in Wisconsin the secretary of dnr does. Indiana will be similar position if enacted statewide. Dnr can override cdac goes off base You didn't answer the question!! Who will make the decision in Indiana as who will be considered ?? Don't be scared just give a straight forward answer. I would answer you but waiting on final say. Like I said it will be somebody with the dnr.
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Post by swilk on Oct 18, 2016 20:53:21 GMT -5
In the county you hunt, how many deer do you think there are? How many do you feel there should be? How did you arrive at those two numbers?
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Post by greghopper on Oct 18, 2016 20:57:50 GMT -5
You didn't answer the question!! Who will make the decision in Indiana as who will be considered ?? Don't be scared just give a straight forward answer. I would answer you but waiting on final say. Like I said it will be somebody with the dnr. For the trail/pilot CDAC that happens next year
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 21:01:11 GMT -5
Give me a example of a stable deer herd in any given county..... Good question! How does the the group define stable kp44? Does the CDAC vote as a whole if the herd in a given county is stable? It would be nice if the DNR had statistics to look at to know if the herd in a given county is stable. Oh, wait a minute... the cdac can either increase,decrese or maintain quotas. Then it is approved or altered by dnr. Dnr will provide statistics for the cdac to help them determine the quotas.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 18, 2016 21:06:15 GMT -5
You didn't answer the question!! Who will make the decision in Indiana as who will be considered ?? Don't be scared just give a straight forward answer. I would answer you but waiting on final say. Like I said it will be somebody with the dnr. From what I've gathered reading the information on their very own FB page, IWDHM "MEMBERS" are eligible to submit applications to be a part of the CDAC trial. So, does that mean the IWDHM group will be gathering the applications and sending the ones they feel worthy on to the DNR? I ask, because history proves that any person who has a slightly different outlook on things than them gets banned from communicating on the page and therefor will most likely be excluded from their short list. I understand the DNR putting this in their lap. The DNR does not have the manpower or the financial resources to accomplish this task. The problem is the group that has been put in charge of this experiment is going into it with one very rigid conclusion in mind. How in the world can anybody expect to see an unbiased reflection of the state of our deer herd under these circumstances? By the way. the "CDAC" type of management has been going on in Indiana for decades that I know of. The first meeting I attended was 23 years ago. Since then, the ability to acquire information has grown exponentially and has become incredibly easier. The public has always had an avenue for input and that input has only become greater as technology has changed. Time will tell, and it seems we will all be waiting to see the outcome. Oh, what is the time allotment for the 6 county trial?
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Post by firstwd on Oct 18, 2016 21:08:38 GMT -5
Good question! How does the the group define stable kp44? Does the CDAC vote as a whole if the herd in a given county is stable? It would be nice if the DNR had statistics to look at to know if the herd in a given county is stable. Oh, wait a minute... the cdac can either increase,decrese or maintain quotas. Then it is approved or altered by dnr. Dnr will provide statistics for the cdac to help them determine the quotas. I believe you forgot the word "recommend" when it come to the change or not of quotas. The CDAC won't actually have any authority to do anything but make recommendations.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 18, 2016 21:19:27 GMT -5
the cdac can either increase,decrese or maintain quotas. Then it is approved or altered by dnr. Dnr will provide statistics for the cdac to help them determine the quotas. I believe you forgot the word "recommend" when it come to the change or not of quotas. The CDAC won't actually have any authority to do anything but make recommendations. As it should be....
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 21:19:50 GMT -5
I would answer you but waiting on final say. Like I said it will be somebody with the dnr. From what I've gathered reading the information on their very own FB page, IWDHM "MEMBERS" are eligible to submit applications to be a part of the CDAC trial. So, does that mean the IWDHM group will be gathering the applications and sending the ones they feel worthy on to the DNR? I ask, because history proves that any person who has a slightly different outlook on things than them gets banned from communicating on the page and therefor will most likely be excluded from their short list. I understand the DNR putting this in their lap. The DNR does not have the manpower or the financial resources to accomplish this task. The problem is the group that has been put in charge of this experiment is going into it with one very rigid conclusion in mind. How in the world can anybody expect to see an unbiased reflection of the state of our deer herd under these circumstances? By the way. the "CDAC" type of management has been going on in Indiana for decades that I know of. The first meeting I attended was 23 years ago. Since then, the ability to acquire information has grown exponentially and has become incredibly easier. The public has always had an avenue for input and that input has only become greater as technology has changed. Time will tell, and it seems we will all be waiting to see the outcome. Oh, what is the time allotment for the 6 county trial? the dnr will be releasing info on the 6 counties and more details. Feel free to email them and ask them when. The dnr is also involved with getting the trial cdac going not just iwdhm.
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Post by kp44 on Oct 18, 2016 21:24:23 GMT -5
In the county you hunt, how many deer do you think there are? How many do you feel there should be? How did you arrive at those two numbers? by going of the dnr deer density per county statistics. If I go off of that its low . I go by my hunting area.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 18, 2016 22:17:44 GMT -5
Cdac provides a recommendation to maintain or decrease every 3 years. Removed increase because I would bet my life savings that will never be recommended unless 10 years off or more. Overall good discussion here though fellas just leave personal attacks at the door everyone.
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