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Post by M4Madness on Dec 25, 2016 9:20:59 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering:
I've seen a lot of posts on DNR Facebook pages of guys being busted for shooting deer and not checking them in -- I mean A LOT. I wonder if this has always been the case and we just never heard about it, or if many are ignorant or too lazy to use the online check-in? Isn't this the first year of no brick and mortar check stations? Do you guys think this has any bearing on the lower harvest numbers this year? Perhaps the harvest is the same as last year and we just have a large influx of people not bothering to do the online check.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 25, 2016 10:00:09 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering: I've seen a lot of posts on DNR Facebook pages of guys being busted for shooting deer and not checking them in -- I mean A LOT. I wonder if this has always been the case and we just never heard about it, or if many are ignorant or too lazy to use the online check-in? Isn't this the first year of no brick and mortar check stations? Do you guys think this has any bearing on the lower harvest numbers this year? Perhaps the harvest is the same as last year and we just have a large influx of people not bothering to do the online check. Good question.. Is this type of poaching becoming more prevalent OR are we just seeing better reporting of it on Face Book by the DNR? Folks can still check in deer at the check stations that still exist. The check station does its input via the internet just like we do, just a different page.. Check stations... www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/6271.htm
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Post by deerhunter23 on Dec 25, 2016 10:04:41 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering: I've seen a lot of posts on DNR Facebook pages of guys being busted for shooting deer and not checking them in -- I mean A LOT. I wonder if this has always been the case and we just never heard about it, or if many are ignorant or too lazy to use the online check-in? Isn't this the first year of no brick and mortar check stations? Do you guys think this has any bearing on the lower harvest numbers this year? Perhaps the harvest is the same as last year and we just have a large influx of people not bothering to do the online check. Ive thought about this myself. We all know someone who isnt tech savy so to speak. Still use flip phones and think computers are the devil. Wonder how many of those people deer hunt and have never even saw the dnr homepage let alone the online check-in system. Then those that just could care less about the laws. But those peeps were breaking the law before on-line check in regardless. One does ponder...
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Post by GS1 on Dec 25, 2016 10:14:03 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering: I've seen a lot of posts on DNR Facebook pages of guys being busted for shooting deer and not checking them in -- I mean A LOT. I wonder if this has always been the case and we just never heard about it, or if many are ignorant or too lazy to use the online check-in? Isn't this the first year of no brick and mortar check stations? Do you guys think this has any bearing on the lower harvest numbers this year? Perhaps the harvest is the same as last year and we just have a large influx of people not bothering to do the online check. Facebook catches a lot of poachers. They rat themselves out on there.
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Post by duff on Dec 25, 2016 10:19:41 GMT -5
just hearing about it more. Look how much IDNR is posting about busts. Before they were limited to a couple pages in the ICO publication. Always been folks not checking deer and turkies in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2016 10:32:58 GMT -5
I took my normal (2).
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 25, 2016 10:36:43 GMT -5
Folks can still check in deer at the check stations that still exist. The check station does its input via the internet just like we do, just a different page.. Check stations... www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/6271.htmAll the check stations around here ceased doing it when the DNR went to full online check-in, as none wanted to bother with computers. I wasn't aware that there were some still open in the state.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 25, 2016 12:47:57 GMT -5
The outdoor shop by me still checks them in. If I shoot another shooter, I'll take it there, so they can have a little fun too. They'll weigh it too if you ask them.
I am confident that my neighbor does not check in every deer and keeps a flashlight on his gun. He sits a little longer than I would if you know what I mean.
It is what it is. I'll obey the rules and not worry about anyone else. If I worried about other hunters, it would most certainly take away the joy of my time in the woods. I think they're just hurting themselves, and will be first to complain about a decreased population.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 26, 2016 8:02:45 GMT -5
Current reported deer harvest 114,320From Sept 15, 2016 to Monday, December 26, 2016 at 7:00 am CST – start of the “special antlerless season” Deer harvest numbers are updated as deer are checked in via CheckIN Game. All numbers are raw data that have not been verified by the Indiana DNR. www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/8367.htm
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 28, 2016 10:04:55 GMT -5
115198
From Sept 15, 2016 to Wednesday, December 28, 2016
My prediction of about like last year is not looking too good.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 29, 2016 7:40:58 GMT -5
Current reported deer harvest
115,800
From Sept 15, 2016 to Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 6:35 am CST Deer harvest numbers are updated as deer are checked in via CheckIN Game. All numbers are raw data that have not been verified by the Indiana DNR. www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/8367.htm
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Post by firstwd on Dec 29, 2016 13:02:49 GMT -5
Something I have been pondering: I've seen a lot of posts on DNR Facebook pages of guys being busted for shooting deer and not checking them in -- I mean A LOT. I wonder if this has always been the case and we just never heard about it, or if many are ignorant or too lazy to use the online check-in? Isn't this the first year of no brick and mortar check stations? Do you guys think this has any bearing on the lower harvest numbers this year? Perhaps the harvest is the same as last year and we just have a large influx of people not bothering to do the online check. This has been going on since deer were required to be checked in. It got a little easier once we had to write our one transportation tags because the deer could be "tagged" and transported legally, then just throw the tag away after processing. Is it easier with the online check system? Who knows. What is easier these days is the DNR letting the world know that they are doing their job and doing it well. They'll never catch every poacher, but they will catch a bunch.
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Post by jjas on Dec 29, 2016 13:42:41 GMT -5
As the deer season draws to a close and the rhetoric from differing camps of deer hunters takes over the forums and facebook pages once again, I happened to come across this post from M.R. James. And while the talk of CDACs, moving/shortening the firearms seasons, and other home brewed "solutions" will once again touch off a storm of debates and arguments, the last sentence of this man's post hits the nail on the head IMO.
As much as it hasn't been popular and perhaps worked "too well" in some counties (or sections of some counties) for some hunters tastes, the truth of the matter is if herd reduction was doing what it was designed to do, the harvest totals would come down and settle out @ a lower number than before. If you look @ the last three seasons, the average harvest has been right around 123,000 deer. This year it looks like it might make 120,000. But whether it ends up @ 118,000 or 123,000 (or somewhere in between) there will still be those who want continue to deny that this was designed to happen.
Doesn't mean it can't be tweaked, doesn't mean it's been "fair" in some people's minds, doesn't mean it's been popular, but it apparently has been effective and ultimately that is what is was meant to be.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 29, 2016 14:28:28 GMT -5
fair doesn't happen in hunting...very similar to real life. You get what you work for more often than not and sometimes expectations must change...a concept many cannot and will never understand.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 29, 2016 14:34:04 GMT -5
fair doesn't happen in hunting...very similar to real life. You get what you work for more often than not and sometimes expectations must change...a concept many cannot and will never understand. I would say that this will single out those properties that are naturally more suitable for deer population, but may just single out those properties that have the financial influx to make them more suitable for deep population.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 29, 2016 15:16:33 GMT -5
fair doesn't happen in hunting...very similar to real life. You get what you work for more often than not and sometimes expectations must change...a concept many cannot and will never understand. I would say that this will single out those properties that are naturally more suitable for deer population, but may just single out those properties that have the financial influx to make them more suitable for deep population. Definitely can, however sometimes that "work" is going the extra mile, scouting that extra public spot or working tail off to have ground to hunt...
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Post by parkerbow on Dec 29, 2016 19:18:21 GMT -5
As the deer season draws to a close and the rhetoric from differing camps of deer hunters takes over the forums and facebook pages once again, I happened to come across this post from M.R. James. And while the talk of CDACs, moving/shortening the firearms seasons, and other home brewed "solutions" will once again touch off a storm of debates and arguments, the last sentence of this man's post hits the nail on the head IMO. As much as it hasn't been popular and perhaps worked "too well" in some counties (or sections of some counties) for some hunters tastes, the truth of the matter is if herd reduction was doing what it was designed to do, the harvest totals would come down and settle out @ a lower number than before. If you look @ the last three seasons, the average harvest has been right around 123,000 deer. This year it looks like it might make 120,000. But whether it ends up @ 118,000 or 123,000 (or somewhere in between) there will still be those who want continue to deny that this was designed to happen. Doesn't mean it can't be tweaked, doesn't mean it's been "fair" in some people's minds, doesn't mean it's been popular, but it apparently has been effective and ultimately that is what is was meant to be. M.R. James lives and hunts in the same county I live and hunt in which has an abundance of Public land in it. I do believe the deer in this county are so pressured that they have different movement habits and move mostly after dark. I think more and more private land is being leased or bought up by the wealthier deer hunter or groups of hunters which pushed others less fortunate on the public grounds. The public ground gets hammered over the course of the deer season which puts the deer nocturnal. I always have mature bucks on camera but it is always at night time even during peak rutting times. I hunted a few times this year in a different county on some private land and could not believe how calmer the deer were. It was way "easier" hunting and the deer are not pressured and way less nervous and spooky. I think the deer are adapting their movements to the hunting pressure.
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Post by jjas on Dec 29, 2016 19:53:33 GMT -5
Parkerbow
I've read posts over the years similar to yours. Many of those hunters live in the northern half of the state and they have described the situation as there being too many hunters for the deer numbers able to be sustained in the ever disappearing suitable deer habitat. Throw in the yearly increases in leasing and it leads to exactly what you are describing. Public ground that has more hunters on it every year and deer that tend to be nocturnal.
If you could change things in your county, what would they be and why do you think it would make it better?
Just curious.
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Post by parkerbow on Dec 29, 2016 20:10:35 GMT -5
Parkerbow I've read posts over the years similar to yours. Many of those hunters live in the northern half of the state and they have described the situation as there being too many hunters for the deer numbers able to be sustained in the ever disappearing suitable deer habitat. Throw in the yearly increases in leasing and it leads to exactly what you are describing. Public ground that has more hunters on it every year and deer that tend to be nocturnal. If you could change things in your county, what would they be and why do you think it would make it better? Just curious. Good Questions: 1) I think they could limit the amount of antler less tags allowed to be used on the HNF. Say If the county has a 4 anterless quota, limit it to 2 on the HNF. I know state land you cannot shoot any anterless deer so why not limit it to 2 or 1 on the HNF. 2) I think each deer hunter should have to call and get a HIP number also to hunt deer like we have to for migratory birds. This would allow the State to actually know how many deer hunters there actually are in the state. Also during this HIP call process there could be a County code to be punched in as to what county you are planning on hunting in opening weekend of firearms season to see how many hunters are actually in one county and then maybe set quotas on the hunter numbers for that county instead of the blanket quotas.
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Post by wesb81219 on Dec 29, 2016 20:11:42 GMT -5
It's really simple, if you don't like the dnr's "plan " to reduce the deer herd then kill less deer. A small group of people doing such on a small scale, say in their woods, or in agreement with their neighbors and the neighbors woods I believe could make a difference in your personal hunting grounds. To do it on a large scale, say state wide would take a mass cooperation of hunters together as one to grow the herd everywhere. If you cannot, as myself, afford to build the deer a condo on your hunting grounds all at once you can still gradually build your place up. I believe that doing so is a long term investment that is well worth the efforts and sacrifice.
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