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Post by scrub-buster on Aug 29, 2016 14:54:20 GMT -5
I have been getting a lot of pictures of a young buck with one antler. I'm guessing he is 1.5 years old. He just has a nub on the other side. It hasn't grown any since he started growing his rack in early summer. Do you think he will continue to grow a rack like this as he matures? Should he be removed from the heard before he gets passes on this trait? I'm leaning towards giving him one more year to see what he grows at 2.5?
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Post by scrub-buster on Aug 29, 2016 14:56:20 GMT -5
2 years ago my Dad killed a 3.5 year old buck with a very week side to his rack in the same area. I'm wondering if this could be his offspring.
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Post by medic22 on Aug 29, 2016 15:01:26 GMT -5
1.5 year racks are not a got measure of a deers future.
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Post by featherduster on Aug 29, 2016 15:05:28 GMT -5
Unless your starving I would leave him just as an experiment to see what he grows up to be.
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Post by steiny on Aug 29, 2016 15:10:39 GMT -5
That's a young deer, he could be a dandy in a few years.
We watch too many TV hunting shows. Descriptions like cull bucks, management bucks, etc. get thrown around on those shows quite a bit. Darned few hunters actually have sole hunting permission on a large enough piece of property or enough tags where we could truly affect the long term outcome of a deer herd by killing, or leaving certain deer.
Leave that BS to the TV hunters and shoot what you want to shoot.
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 29, 2016 15:12:07 GMT -5
In a wild type setting where one cannot control the entirety of the gene pool I do not believe at all in culling deer. However,I personally if forced to place a percentage of what makes a trophy antler design or inches measured would be less than half the total. 75% Maturity/Age 12.5% Antler Size/Make Up and 12.5% of it is story....however the story can become all of it (100%) sometimes. Culling a deer that young that hasn't even shown a glimpse of it's true potential is just a naive thought typically used as someone's justification to harvest a deer...however each hunter should hunt to their own beliefs. He trip your trigger, pull that trigger...if he doesn't then don't. However, killing him in an attempt to cull is just not justified. I'd say by 3.5 years old you'll begin to truly see his potential and if one wants to justify culling that is the earliest I'd hear the argument personally.
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Post by scrub-buster on Aug 29, 2016 15:18:33 GMT -5
I understand you can't judge a bucks potential when they are this young but his one sided rack worries me. I don't want a bunch of one antlered bucks running around in a few years if he passes this trait on. I'm not a trophy hunter. I am happy with anything 3.5 years or older when using modern hunting weapons.
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 29, 2016 15:57:44 GMT -5
I understand you can't judge a bucks potential when they are this young but his one sided rack worries me. I don't want a bunch of one antlered bucks running around in a few years if he passes this trait on. I'm not a trophy hunter. I am happy with anything 3.5 years or older when using modern hunting weapons. Your last sentence and your second one contradict one another No shame in either mindset but both are not possible! Good luck with whatever you decide!
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Post by bill9068 on Aug 29, 2016 16:15:10 GMT -5
Last season my son shot one something like that, i had a deer around for 3 years in perry county that started as a fork horn on one side year one, then year two 3 point on same side, then last year he was a big four on same side but the other side he was just a long single tine. When we checked him out he had one normal side but the other had the long tine then another coming off his skull about 3 inches long. So he had two beams coming out of the skull on that side. My son thought he had both sides and shot him at 75 yards in muzzleloader season. I let him walk for three years.
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Post by bill9068 on Aug 29, 2016 16:21:09 GMT -5
I got to telling the story i forgot to answer your question, if it were me yes i would take him, last year after my son killed that deer i saw on camera another young one with one side normal and the other a spike. Might be offspring of the one he shot, i dont know, but not going to take any more chances. This season i'll let one of the boys take him if he shows up.
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Post by scrub-buster on Aug 29, 2016 16:22:24 GMT -5
I understand you can't judge a bucks potential when they are this young but his one sided rack worries me. I don't want a bunch of one antlered bucks running around in a few years if he passes this trait on. I'm not a trophy hunter. I am happy with anything 3.5 years or older when using modern hunting weapons. Your last sentence and your second one contradict one another No shame in either mindset but both are not possible! Good luck with whatever you decide! ? Are you referring to my statement about not being a trophy hunter and being happy with a buck 3.5 years or older? My definition of a trophy hunter is someone who has a certain antler score, lets say 150", that they won't shoot anything less than that. My brother in law is a trophy hunter. He lets bucks walk every season that I would be thrilled to get. He might go 2 or 3 seasons in a row without getting a buck. In my area a buck 3.5 years old or more isn't very common. I might see 2 or 3 bucks a season that age or more. I consider a 3.5 year old buck to be mature. When I see a buck approaching, I don't try to guess the score of the rack. I look at the deer and try to decide if its mature or not. That's when I'm using a crossbow or a gun. If I'm using a primitive bow or it's late in the season I'm happy with whatever I can get to fill the freezer. In my opinion, I'm far from a trophy hunter.
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Post by M4Madness on Aug 29, 2016 17:11:12 GMT -5
You misunderstood him. What he is saying is that if you aren't a trophy hunter, a whole herd of 1-antlered deer shouldn't matter to you.
Remember, does also carry genes.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Aug 29, 2016 17:40:38 GMT -5
I think a 4 or 5 year old buck running around with 1 giant antler would be pretty cool. A unicorn.
As far as culling in a 1 buck state, you'd never get to kill one of the good bucks because there is always going to be a few around with lesser genetics.
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Post by beermaker on Aug 29, 2016 18:01:13 GMT -5
If you need the meat, or know someone in need, then yes. If not, let him grow.
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 29, 2016 19:10:02 GMT -5
You misunderstood him. What he is saying is that if you aren't a trophy hunter, a whole herd of 1-antlered deer shouldn't matter to you. Remember, does also carry genes. Yeah on one hand not trophy hunter and just want a 3.5 year old but other hand don't want a 3.5 old with one antler...merely pointing out the oddity is all. 😆
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 29, 2016 19:23:12 GMT -5
Too early to tell. Research has repeatedly demonstrated that you can't tell anything by a 1.5 year old rack.
I just read in OL that in older deer that this phenomenon it the result of a pedicile injury and will always produce a weird antler.
Cool pic.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2016 19:30:35 GMT -5
That is a young deer. He might have just broken it off. Pass.. Here is one that Woodmaster killed down in KY a few years back. His right "antler" was just about 4 points coming right straight off his pedicule. Still a mature buck..
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Post by scrub-buster on Aug 29, 2016 21:29:20 GMT -5
You misunderstood him. What he is saying is that if you aren't a trophy hunter, a whole herd of 1-antlered deer shouldn't matter to you. Remember, does also carry genes. Yeah on one hand not trophy hunter and just want a 3.5 year old but other hand don't want a 3.5 old with one antler...merely pointing out the oddity is all. 😆 I'm not the only one that owns and hunts the property. My desire to not have one antlered bucks wasn't strictly for myself. I think we have different definitions of a trophy hunter.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 29, 2016 22:06:45 GMT -5
As always, I know nothing, but I know that I have a few that sure look like they came from my little ugly buck a few years back. Personally, I think the state should sell little ugly buck tags ...or we could let the New Yorker's sterilize them.
I didn't know what a cull or culling was until I heard sakorifle mentioned it, but I'd like to take a few out of the gene pool.
I almost hate to take one of my good bucks before they get another chance to breed ...but I'll take any shot they give me.
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Post by nfalls116 on Aug 29, 2016 22:10:12 GMT -5
Kill it
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