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Post by arlowe13 on Aug 15, 2016 18:47:34 GMT -5
Though this case seems to have left a sour taste in many folks' mouths, this isn't the first time a law has been passed governing how we can hunt/fish/trap.
IC 14-22-35
Requiring the department to establish a hunter safety course and the department must designate a CO to administer the program.
IC 14-22-7
Individuals may not hunt migratory waterfowl without a stamp issued by the department.
IC 14-22-8
Individuals may not hunt game birds without a stamp issued by the department.
IC 14-22-10
Individuals may not fish, hunt, trap or chase on private land without consent of landowner or tenant. Also regulates taking wild game across state borders.
IC 14-22-9
Regulates how an individual may fish (equipment restrictions) on state owned land. Also regulated minnow and crayfish handling.
IC 14-22-11
Regulates licenses and permits.
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Post by medic22 on Aug 15, 2016 21:13:30 GMT -5
The other evening I sat and watch two bucks work the edge of a bean field about 375 yards out. I couldnt help but think how easy of a shot that was.
At the same time, I hate how they went about it
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Post by jjas on Aug 15, 2016 22:22:20 GMT -5
Yep. Many of who are fine with adding HPR's didn't like how it was done I did not care one way or another.. I cared a LOT how it was done.... That sets a terrible precedent.. I agree.... |
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 16, 2016 7:07:45 GMT -5
The other evening I sat and watch two bucks work the edge of a bean field about 375 yards out. I couldnt help but think how easy of a shot that was. At the same time, I hate how they went about it How often do you practice a 300+ yard shot? With your deer rifle? I only bring this up, because I fear the mentality of HPR in hand = immediate change in range. Old way = typical range....HPR = typical x3 Are HPRs extremely accurate by design...sure, but the shooter must be proficient still. I'm not a gun hunter, but I love to shoot. It cracks me up how often some folks will be like "Yeah, I can strike a steel plate at 200 yards easy with my AR." However, they can't hit a stationary coyote at 150...it's a different game trying to hit a large plate and a specific spot (killzone). Most of the folks that will be slinging HPR rounds farther than they should are the guys already out there doing it with PCR or ML or Shotties...but I know a few first hand that are going to grab a HPR, maybe shoot 5 rounds at a 100 yards or till zero'd at 100 and NEVER practice further but will shoot further. Practice what shots you will take...or don't take is the heart of this venting post haha! |
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Post by medic22 on Aug 16, 2016 7:13:08 GMT -5
The other evening I sat and watch two bucks work the edge of a bean field about 375 yards out. I couldnt help but think how easy of a shot that was. At the same time, I hate how they went about it How often do you practice a 300+ yard shot? With your deer rifle? I only bring this up, because I fear the mentality of HPR in hand = immediate change in range. Old way = typical range....HPR = typical x3 Are HPRs extremely accurate by design...sure, but the shooter must be proficient still. I'm not a gun hunter, but I love to shoot. It cracks me up how often some folks will be like "Yeah, I can strike a steel plate at 200 yards easy with my AR." However, they can't hit a stationary coyote at 150...it's a different game trying to hit a large plate and a specific spot (killzone). Most of the folks that will be slinging HPR rounds farther than they should are the guys already out there doing it with PCR or ML or Shotties...but I know a few first hand that are going to grab a HPR, maybe shoot 5 rounds at a 100 yards or till zero'd at 100 and NEVER practice further but will shoot further. Practice what shots you will take...or don't take is the heart of this venting post haha! I regularly shoot up to 400 yards and can repeatable shoot .5 MOA with my reloads. But you are correct, sadly there arent many that can make a clean shot at that range, but there are many more that will try. |
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 16, 2016 8:03:42 GMT -5
I regularly shoot up to 400 yards and can repeatable shoot .5 MOA with my reloads. But you are correct, sadly there arent many that can make a clean shot at that range, but there are many more that will try. Good deal, what is your set up? |
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Post by medic22 on Aug 16, 2016 8:08:44 GMT -5
I regularly shoot up to 400 yards and can repeatable shoot .5 MOA with my reloads. But you are correct, sadly there arent many that can make a clean shot at that range, but there are many more that will try. Good deal, what is your set up?  Nothing fancy, Remington 700 SPS varmint, 26" barrel 308 EGW 20 MOA base SWFA SS 16x Unknow bipod, probably a caldwell lol Ammo is mixed brass with CCI LRP, with a 168gr hornady match BTHP. Not real positive on the powder charge right now, id have to look at my notes. I think its 24.6 gr of 8208xbr Not your average deer gun, and not really something I would ever use unless im expecting shots over 200 yards (I hunt public land anyway). I typically pick all my spots based on bowhunting, so 40 yards or less. |
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 16, 2016 8:47:31 GMT -5
That'll do for sure. I'm a close quarters bow hunter myself as well. Most of my stands would be useless for taking shots over 45 yards come gun season save a couple.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Aug 16, 2016 8:53:25 GMT -5
I know there are a few guys that can make that shot nearly every time, you're probably one of them Medic. I'm not though, even though I have decent equipment and have been shooting HPRs for most of my life. I'm betting most Indiana deer hunters would have difficulty hitting a Holstein at that range, let alone the vital zone of a whitetail.
Like Ty said though, the guys that will try out-of-range shots with HPRs are already doing it with PCRs or shotguns.
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Post by oldhoyt on Aug 16, 2016 9:17:11 GMT -5
The list contains only cartridges which use projectiles measuring .243 (6mm) or .308 (7.62mm) in diameter. The projectile diameter is the important thing, not the cartridge "name".
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Post by 36fan on Aug 16, 2016 20:38:45 GMT -5
DNR did not want rifles added, so a few politically influential people lobbied their state congressmen and got the statute added. The problem is no one on the committee knew what they were doing, and instead of 5 specific rounds, they made essentially every round that fires a .243 or .308 bullet legal. Now DNR has to figure out how to implement a poorly written law that they didn't want. I have been told that insurance companies and some legislators want the deer reduced completely and that is why the law passed. Since the DNR didn't back this law, do you think that the outside factors have an underlying agenda or outcome they hope to achieve with this rule? I just found it weird that it did not pass last year and a year later, BAM...passed. This isn't a rule change, it was a statute change. The terms have specific meanings and are not synonymous in this arena. Last year was a proposed rule change, this year was a statue/law change. This is how the breakdown works. 1. Legislators make "statutes/laws" 2. The statute identifies the regulatory agency tasked with enforcing the statute, and the regulatory agency makes "rules" that interpret statutes. In this case it is DNR. 3. The program/regulatory agency can then make "NonRule Policy Documents" that interprets the rule and provides guidance. (I had to present one of these today) and that is the pecking order of what trumps what legally. The HPR rule-change went nowhere last year, so a lobbyist got the ear of a legislator, and now it is law. |
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Post by esshup on Aug 17, 2016 11:37:40 GMT -5
Ty, you are absolutely correct. Guys who don't shoot during the off season or practice regularly will think that rifles are laser beams and bullets don't drop, or drift in the wind. I had a guy say that his 30-06 was zero'd at 100 yds and didn't think the bullet would drop more than 6" at 500 yds.........
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Post by tynimiller on Aug 17, 2016 12:03:44 GMT -5
Ty, you are absolutely correct. Guys who don't shoot during the off season or practice regularly will think that rifles are laser beams and bullets don't drop, or drift in the wind. I had a guy say that his 30-06 was zero'd at 100 yds and didn't think the bullet would drop more than 6" at 500 yds......... And as Bill Engvall would say "Here's your sign..." |
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Post by esshup on Aug 17, 2016 12:42:28 GMT -5
Ty, you are absolutely correct. Guys who don't shoot during the off season or practice regularly will think that rifles are laser beams and bullets don't drop, or drift in the wind. I had a guy say that his 30-06 was zero'd at 100 yds and didn't think the bullet would drop more than 6" at 500 yds......... And as Bill Engvall would say "Here's your sign..." Correct! Guys also probably don't realize that bullets will hit different POI depending on temperature and other atmospheric conditions. While it won't affect the bullet enough to matter for the first couple hundred yards (depending on where you are aiming at on the deer), after that, only shooting and testing will tell. I found for one of my rifles, that a 47 degree temperature drop, combined with a 1,000' drop in elevation caused a 2 moa change in bullet impact. (approximately 2" at 100 yds, 4" at 200 yds, etc.) Run that out a ways and it's enough to wound or completely miss a deer. |
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