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Post by trapperdave on May 27, 2016 7:02:58 GMT -5
You do not have to spend $ 1,900 on a air rifle there are cheaper ones out there. He was using a ("PCP" a air gun that has 3,000 - 4,000 psi tank). You can purchase a "springer" or a "gas piston" a lot cheaper just means you can not shoot as far. However the springer needs to be held gently (military hold). The "springer MUST be able to move forward and backward the same each time it's shot. Which also means you CAN NOT purchase a standard scope (they will destroy it) they need to manufactured for air guns. Todays air rifles can match or exceed a 22 caliber rim fire rifles and are a lot cheaper to shoot. A good springer can shoot 5 shots at ten yards that a dime can cover, and at fifty yards a quarter can cover all of the shots. I just read and figured out that shooting a Springer is different than a regular rifle. Holding it loosely so that it can do it's thing. I have a ERT type air rifle, Gamo. I'm still trying to learn how to shoot it accurately. Actually I have two of them. The Bone Collector and the other one who's name fails me now. Fusion Elite I believe. Both don't shoot accurately if you hold them too tightly against your shoulder.
I have a air pistol that's CO2 powered and the flat head pellets bounced off a squirrel at point blank range. Which surprised the heck out of me. I had the squirrel in a hav-a-heart cage and could not kill it until I shot it with one of the air rifles. The air pistol shoots at around 500 ft per second and the 4.5 grain pellets were not penetrating the squirrels hide/skin. But the Gamo Fusion Elite when right into it's back and killed it. It took more than one shot as the squirrel was facing away and hiding it's head for a while. Then it decided to attack the cage and try to get at me. That was his big mistake. Normally I take them to the Fish and Wildlife area and release them alive. But it was raining and I just put it out of it's misery. I had been trying to either shoot this squirrel or trap it for about two months. I was avoiding the trip mechanism inside the cage by running though the cage and hopping over the trip pan. Finally it stepped on the trip pan and got caught. He ate a lot of my sunflower seeds over the months.
Releasing them is illegal unless you have landowner or property manager permission.
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Post by trapperdave on May 27, 2016 7:03:56 GMT -5
That goes for ALL trapped wildlife
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Post by esshup on Jun 4, 2016 13:02:01 GMT -5
If you guys want to go play with the airguns, see if there is a Field Target club or shoot anywhere near you. It's a lot of fun, and you will see guys shooting all types of rifles. www.aafta.org/I played the game for a while with a FWB 124D and stepped up to an Air Arms TX200. If I were to get back into it now, I would bite the bullet, spend the $$ and go PCP.
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Post by airgun on Jun 5, 2016 16:20:14 GMT -5
esshup, I would love to take part in some air rifle competitions. However, I cannot find one near central Indiana. I have a “springer” and it shoot extremely well and I would like to see how other air rifles shoot compare to it. I would also like to try field targets.
I hope one day to hunt turkeys with my "springer"
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Post by moose1am on Jun 5, 2016 20:36:02 GMT -5
That goes for ALL trapped wildlife What is the Indiana Code for that law or regulation that you are referring to? Can you sight the IC number(s) where it says trapping nuisance squirrels and releasing them elsewhere is Illegal? I've not hear or read of that law and need more information.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 5, 2016 21:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jun 5, 2016 21:06:52 GMT -5
How many folks you think actually call a CO when they catch one???
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Post by nfalls116 on Jun 5, 2016 21:57:09 GMT -5
How many folks you think actually call a CO when they catch one??? probably most of the folks who buy their traps at big box stores¿¿¿¿ your guess is probably almost as good as mine
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Post by trapperdave on Jun 5, 2016 22:02:00 GMT -5
What does compliance have to do with legality?
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Post by trapperdave on Jun 5, 2016 22:06:57 GMT -5
That goes for ALL trapped wildlife What is the Indiana Code for that law or regulation that you are referring to? Can you sight the IC number(s) where it says trapping nuisance squirrels and releasing them elsewhere is Illegal? I've not hear or read of that law and need more information.
If you need more, Indiana wildlife laws can be found here.. codes.lp.findlaw.com/incode/14/22
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Post by sakorifle on Jun 6, 2016 19:53:30 GMT -5
That goes for ALL trapped wildlife What is the Indiana Code for that law or regulation that you are referring to? Can you sight the IC number(s) where it says trapping nuisance squirrels and releasing them elsewhere is Illegal? I've not hear or read of that law and need more information.
Law in England is grey squirrels must be destroyed and reds let go. reds are a protected species over here, greys are classed as vermin and can be hunted all year round. there you go now you know, lol regards Billy.
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Post by darinfry on Jul 5, 2016 10:23:57 GMT -5
I have 4 air rifles, two umarex fuels in 17 and 22 Cal, a hatsan sniper in 22, and a gamo in 17cal. Adds a whole new level of fun and challenge to small game hunting
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Post by airgun on Jul 5, 2016 11:41:34 GMT -5
Do you think you could cleanly harvest a turkey with them?
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Post by darinfry on Jul 5, 2016 12:03:35 GMT -5
Possibly yes but I have enough trouble killing one with a shotgun so I'd better stick to the 11-87 for now lol. Id have no problem if they legalized air rifles for turkey though
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Post by beermaker on Jul 5, 2016 16:59:26 GMT -5
.25 caliber or larger is plenty for turkeys and is legal is some states. In fact, the Communist State of California has some of the most air gun friendly regulations in the country. Indiana is WAY behind many other states when it comes to air guns.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Feb 22, 2017 23:53:45 GMT -5
Meh, I'll use sometimes to pick a wood pecker off the house. I've used them in the past to hunt squirrels and do in chipmunks. Other than preventing damage to a building, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Anything you can hunt with a 22, you can hunt with airguns. But the opposite is also true and a $200 rim fire out performs the most expensive airgun there is. Only advantage I see for ME in airguns is quiet and a 22 short in a long barrel will give them a run for it in that category. Sorry you are wrong. There are air rifles that generat 5X and more energy than a .22pb. I shoot 340-400gr slugs in my .457 at 500fpe. And it's not the strongest there is. There are 20mm air rifles out there. And the sport just keeps expanding to better and bigger things. My hopped up .25 is near the power of a .22 powder burner and does MOA at 100yds and hole in hole at 50. Misinformation is what is slowing the advancement of air rifle hunting so please do research on the subject before writing an air rifle off as a viable and ethical means to take game. I've seen deer drop on the spot shot with air rifles Breaking both shoulder at 75yds. .22 and .177 is not the only caliber available anymore. But a .177 can easily kill a turkey with a headshot. It's either a kill or a clean miss.
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Post by jackryan on Mar 16, 2017 14:04:14 GMT -5
Meh, I'll use sometimes to pick a wood pecker off the house. I've used them in the past to hunt squirrels and do in chipmunks. Other than preventing damage to a building, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Anything you can hunt with a 22, you can hunt with airguns. But the opposite is also true and a $200 rim fire out performs the most expensive airgun there is. Only advantage I see for ME in airguns is quiet and a 22 short in a long barrel will give them a run for it in that category. Sorry you are wrong. There are air rifles that generat 5X and more energy than a .22pb. I shoot 340-400gr slugs in my .457 at 500fpe. And it's not the strongest there is. There are 20mm air rifles out there. And the sport just keeps expanding to better and bigger things. My hopped up .25 is near the power of a .22 powder burner and does MOA at 100yds and hole in hole at 50. Misinformation is what is slowing the advancement of air rifle hunting so please do research on the subject before writing an air rifle off as a viable and ethical means to take game. I've seen deer drop on the spot shot with air rifles Breaking both shoulder at 75yds. .22 and .177 is not the only caliber available anymore. But a .177 can easily kill a turkey with a headshot. It's either a kill or a clean miss. I'm not wrong, you are wrong. If air rifles were half what you advertise they wouldn't need advocates and fan boys. Everything your air rifle can do, a percussion rifle can do and do better. WHERE in Indiana are you seeing deer drop on the spot shot with an air rifle? I've done all the research I care to do and I'm writing off air rifles...... <EDIT>
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 20, 2017 17:24:41 GMT -5
Wow dude! You won't see any in Indiana yet because it's not YET legal. I use bow and shotguns also but if I could I would use my .457 for deer over anything. And yes my .457 has way more power than a .22 powder rifle and more down range power and accuracy than a legal .410 slug. This is on HPA air not to mention what can be done with helium. Sure a powder burner can do the job fine but that's not the point. You said a .22 will outperform any air rifle. And you ARE wrong in that regard. A 40gr .22 at 1100fps is 107ft lbs of energy. 5 times less than my lowly .457 will produce. What's the point? What's the point to Muzzleloaders, bow hunt or crossbow hunt? What's the point at all? McDonalds sells hamburgers so why bother? Here is one! youtu.be/_gStsGMherYA ram at 85yds youtu.be/_gStsGMherYHere's a 198yd mouflon shot with an air rifle youtu.be/_gStsGMherYHow about a black bear? youtu.be/4NHgAPVv7FYI can find a bunch more large game kills but Im not waisting my time when a quick YouTube search brings up dozens. If I make it to Virginia this year with my legal air rifle. I will post about it on this forum.
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Post by esshup on Mar 20, 2017 19:08:12 GMT -5
esshup, I would love to take part in some air rifle competitions. However, I cannot find one near central Indiana. I have a “springer” and it shoot extremely well and I would like to see how other air rifles shoot compare to it. I would also like to try field targets. I hope one day to hunt turkeys with my "springer" Dang, no more around here, I see. I would drive over to Illinois not too far over the border South of Chicago, down to a place near Noblesville and they had a pretty big shoot up in Michigan too, but I haven't shot it in probably 15 years.
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Post by AcesWildAA on Mar 21, 2017 12:10:40 GMT -5
There is going to be a fun shoot In April for Indiana. Check GTA forums.
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