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Post by Woody Williams on May 10, 2016 15:12:01 GMT -5
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Post by ms660 on May 12, 2016 7:45:37 GMT -5
Things sure have changed since the old Red Ryder days. I have never seen a scope like that. I would seem strange to me without having to shoulder the gun to shoot it.
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Post by jjas on May 12, 2016 10:17:50 GMT -5
$1,900 to kill a squirrel.....I don't think so.
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Post by airgun on May 14, 2016 5:09:22 GMT -5
You do not have to spend $ 1,900 on a air rifle there are cheaper ones out there. He was using a ("PCP" a air gun that has 3,000 - 4,000 psi tank). You can purchase a "springer" or a "gas piston" a lot cheaper just means you can not shoot as far. However the springer needs to be held gently (military hold). The "springer MUST be able to move forward and backward the same each time it's shot. Which also means you CAN NOT purchase a standard scope (they will destroy it) they need to manufactured for air guns. Todays air rifles can match or exceed a 22 caliber rim fire rifles and are a lot cheaper to shoot. A good springer can shoot 5 shots at ten yards that a dime can cover, and at fifty yards a quarter can cover all of the shots.
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Post by jjas on May 14, 2016 10:52:18 GMT -5
You do not have to spend $ 1,900 on a air rifle there are cheaper ones out there. He was using a ("PCP" a air gun that has 3,000 - 4,000 psi tank). You can purchase a "springer" or a "gas piston" a lot cheaper just means you can not shoot as far. However the springer needs to be held gently (military hold). The "springer MUST be able to move forward and backward the same each time it's shot. Which also means you CAN NOT purchase a standard scope (they will destroy it) they need to manufactured for air guns. Todays air rifles can match or exceed a 22 caliber rim fire rifles and are a lot cheaper to shoot. A good springer can shoot 5 shots at ten yards that a dime can cover, and at fifty yards a quarter can cover all of the shots. I'm fully aware that you don't have to spend $1,900 on an airgun to kill a squirrel...but that's what was referenced and thus, what I commented on. It's obvious that you find airguns fascinating and enjoy shooting them, but as long as .22 rimfire is legal and available, I'll stick with that.
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Post by beermaker on May 14, 2016 16:29:15 GMT -5
Modern adult air guns are more capable (and expensive) than ever. I am not ashamed to say that I have owned several of them and currently have two. I can understand the arguments for and against. However, given the choice of my "fancy BB guns" or my .22 rim fires, I'll part ways with the rim fires any day.
- Ammo is readily available and costs $12-$16/350-500 shots. - I can shoot all I want in the back yard without the neighbors caring, or even knowing. My air guns are near silent. - I can squirrel hunt some urban areas that would be totally off-limits if using any other weapon. - On nasty weather days, I can shoot from inside may garage to targets placed 50 yards+ in the yard. The wife and kids think I'm "working" in the garage. - I'll shoot my air guns more in one week that the all of my powder guns in one year, combined.
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Post by airgun on May 14, 2016 16:38:29 GMT -5
Beermaker, you totally understand it. I am trying to get Indiana DNR to approve air rifles for turkey hunting. I have been looking at the air shotguns they look really interesting and would make another challenging hunting tool.
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Post by airgun on May 14, 2016 18:25:21 GMT -5
jjas, I also like to shot rimfires. I live in an urban area where an rimfire is somewhat unsafe to shoot because of houses etc..... I have an air rifle range set-up up to fifty yards and it's totally safe, except to the sparrows. I can go home each night and shoot off fifty shots and no one knows. Air rifles are very quite and they have a limited range. The new air rifles actually have a recoil similar to a rimfire without the noise. My air rifle take thirty five pounds of pressure to cock and to load it, making very safe around children, unless they were to drop it on their toes. It weighs almost nine pounds. Yes they can be expensive to purchase at first but the shooting cost are very inexpensive. Please take the time to find someone who has a newer type of air rifle and take a few shots on it. I really believe you'll like them.
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Post by darinfry on May 22, 2016 8:05:56 GMT -5
I never brought myself to invest in the high dollar PCP airguns, namely because I didn't want to deal with tanks and pumps, but I do enjoy my break barrel air guns. I have a hatsan 85 sniper and two umarex fuels, one in 177 and one in 22. I enjoy shooting a lot but with the cost of ammo these days it makes more sense to me to practice my shooting skills with an air rifle. Getting a lot of trigger time with these has made me a better all around shooter I feel
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Post by ms660 on May 22, 2016 14:15:17 GMT -5
I'm not ashamed to admit that my most valuable gun uses air. My Feinwerkbau 124 Delux. and I have many that uses powder and go bang.
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Post by airgun on May 22, 2016 19:24:10 GMT -5
ms660, since you own and shoot air rifles how do feel about using them for hunting turkey?
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Post by ms660 on May 23, 2016 15:01:12 GMT -5
ms660, since you own and shoot air rifles how do feel about using them for hunting turkey? Makes no difference to me, but I would hate to see 177 or even 22 cal sized pellets legal. The only lethal shot would be a head shot most without a lot of practice using a springer wouldn't be able to do it . I had a hard time killing one this year with a 12 gauge this season so I doubt I would use one of my air guns I own now to hunt turkeys with.
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Post by omegahunter on May 23, 2016 15:40:32 GMT -5
Got a pile of starlings under the tree out back right now due to my old Gamo Hunter.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 23, 2016 16:10:14 GMT -5
You do not have to spend $ 1,900 on a air rifle there are cheaper ones out there. He was using a ("PCP" a air gun that has 3,000 - 4,000 psi tank). You can purchase a "springer" or a "gas piston" a lot cheaper just means you can not shoot as far. However the springer needs to be held gently (military hold). The "springer MUST be able to move forward and backward the same each time it's shot. Which also means you CAN NOT purchase a standard scope (they will destroy it) they need to manufactured for air guns. Todays air rifles can match or exceed a 22 caliber rim fire rifles and are a lot cheaper to shoot. A good springer can shoot 5 shots at ten yards that a dime can cover, and at fifty yards a quarter can cover all of the shots. You may have posted it somewhere else, but what kind of air rifle(s) do you have? I have a Gamo Silent Cat. It's accurate and fun, but it's ugly as can be. I've been thinking of getting a .22 or. 25 Springer for a little more power.
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Post by airgun on May 23, 2016 19:05:08 GMT -5
I have a German made airrifle Weihraugh. It's a low end competition airrifle it can shoot better than I can. I have only had it about three months and I am totally impressed with it. It's a little heavy than I like (at nine pounds) it's a "springer" so it has a large learning curve just learning how to hold it. I can shoot ten yards groups of five around .375", thirty yard five shot groups a dime can cover, etc... I am looking forward to someday being able to hunt turkeys with it. Several states currently permit airrifles in turkey season and hopefully Indiana will be the next one.
Are you wanting more knockdown power? With the H&N Field and target 22 caliber pellet @ 14.66 gr. I am shooting around 625 feet per second with 12 - 13 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Enough power to cleanly put a turkey down cleanly.
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Post by airgun on May 23, 2016 19:47:41 GMT -5
ms660, since you own and shoot air rifles how do feel about using them for hunting turkey? Makes no difference to me, but I would hate to see 177 or even 22 cal sized pellets legal. The only lethal shot would be a head shot most without a lot of practice using a springer wouldn't be able to do it . I had a hard time killing one this year with a 12 gauge this season so I doubt I would use one of my air guns I own now to hunt turkeys with. A 22 caliber could easily put down a turkey, keep in mind it's a head shot only. Your absolutely correct practice, practice, practice. I have my Weihraugh under lever springer set at thirty yards (zero), one mil. dot hold over at forty yards, 2.5 mil. dots at fifty, 10 - 30 yards very flat, maybe .5 mil. dot hold under at 10 yards. I wanted a "springer" because it's one you have to master (I like a good challenge) they are not for everybody. I have my daughter (30 year old) shooting it better than her husband and brother. She hold it very softly and it will sing for her. I am looking forward to squirrel season this fall to hunt with it. I have had my airrifle for just under three months and have shot around 4000 H&N pellets through it already. I try to shoot every night.
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Post by ms660 on May 23, 2016 21:22:39 GMT -5
A 177 cal would kill one if head shot,,,,,but I know there will be those that would probably try body shots and bad things will happen if so. I wish you luck in your quest,, but I'm thinking it will be a long hard battle for in getting air rifles made a legal weapon in turkey season in our state.
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Post by jackryan on May 23, 2016 21:53:19 GMT -5
Meh, I'll use sometimes to pick a wood pecker off the house. I've used them in the past to hunt squirrels and do in chipmunks.
Other than preventing damage to a building, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Anything you can hunt with a 22, you can hunt with airguns. But the opposite is also true and a $200 rim fire out performs the most expensive airgun there is.
Only advantage I see for ME in airguns is quiet and a 22 short in a long barrel will give them a run for it in that category.
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Post by greghopper on May 23, 2016 22:38:09 GMT -5
Meh, I'll use sometimes to pick a wood pecker off the house. I've used them in the past to hunt squirrels and do in chipmunks. Other than preventing damage to a building, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Anything you can hunt with a 22, you can hunt with airguns. But the opposite is also true and a $200 rim fire out performs the most expensive airgun there is. Only advantage I see for ME in airguns is quiet and a 22 short in a long barrel will give them a run for it in that category. One other thing.... You can be a FELON and own a air !! gun!!
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Post by throbak on May 24, 2016 6:48:33 GMT -5
You have owned a air rifle less than 3 months and your now ready for Turkeys ??
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