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Post by jjas on Mar 30, 2016 12:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 12:41:02 GMT -5
In my opinion yes, yes it should be....or at minimum be a much larger penalty than it is currently.
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Post by span870 on Mar 30, 2016 12:48:10 GMT -5
No. At least not for a first time situation. Maybe a step process but even then I don't like it. Let's be honest here and all emotion aside, it's just an animal. I think we have more to worry about than a first time offender getting a felony for poaching. Heck DUI and owi is only a misdemeanor first instance. Also poaching carries a broad stroke.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 12:51:55 GMT -5
No. At least not for a first time situation. Maybe a step process but even then I don't like it. Let's be honest here and all emotion aside, it's just an animal. I think we have more to worry about than a first time offender getting a felony for poaching. Heck DUI and owi is only a misdemeanor first instance. Also poaching carries a broad stroke. Okay I can accept this thought and concur. It isn't the same as when humans are involved. Perhaps make it more similar to a violent misdeamonor...just anything bigger deal than it is now I guess. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 30, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -5
In my opinion yes, yes it should be....or at minimum be a much larger penalty than it is currently. Are you calling any game violation "Poaching"? The reason I asked because some do..... |
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 13:13:10 GMT -5
In my opinion yes, yes it should be....or at minimum be a much larger penalty than it is currently. Are you calling any game violation "Poaching"? The reason I asked because some do..... No not at all. Not all game violations are poaching IMO or my definition of poaching. |
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Post by span870 on Mar 30, 2016 13:15:04 GMT -5
No. At least not for a first time situation. Maybe a step process but even then I don't like it. Let's be honest here and all emotion aside, it's just an animal. I think we have more to worry about than a first time offender getting a felony for poaching. Heck DUI and owi is only a misdemeanor first instance. Also poaching carries a broad stroke. Okay I can accept this thought and concur. It isn't the same as when humans are involved. Perhaps make it more similar to a violent misdeamonor...just anything bigger deal than it is now I guess. No way am I saying it shouldn't be more harsh, but felony no. Problem is that it's a pipe dream. How many murders, rapes, violent felonies, robberies are there every day? Don't see using up jail space for poachers is the answer. My idea would be to use the existing laws. You get busted spotlighting a deer. Truck, guns, license...all gone. You do that a time or three and guys going to think twice. Win win. Dnr sells the property and uses the money or use the property for themselves. I understand where Greg is going to. Say the neighbors put out a salt block. You have no idea it's there. You get caught. That the same as spotlighting. How about if your hpr is 1.81? There should be Leo discretion in many cases. Red handed shooting out of your truck...you lose it all. |
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 13:23:28 GMT -5
Okay I can accept this thought and concur. It isn't the same as when humans are involved. Perhaps make it more similar to a violent misdeamonor...just anything bigger deal than it is now I guess. No way am I saying it shouldn't be more harsh, but felony no. Problem is that it's a pipe dream. How many murders, rapes, violent felonies, robberies are there every day? Don't see using up jail space for poachers is the answer. My idea would be to use the existing laws. You get busted spotlighting a deer. Truck, guns, license...all gone. You do that a time or three and guys going to think twice. Win win. Dnr sells the property and uses the money or use the property for themselves. I understand where Greg is going to. Say the neighbors put out a salt block. You have no idea it's there. You get caught. That the same as spotlighting. How about if your hpr is 1.81? There should be Leo discretion in many cases. Red handed shooting out of your truck...you lose it all. Please anyone correct me if wrong...but if you are not hunting your specific parcel of private property, you have zero control over and cannot be held accountable for anything someone does on their neighboring private parcel of land? Salt block scenario being a good example. |
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Post by GS1 on Mar 30, 2016 13:38:58 GMT -5
No way am I saying it shouldn't be more harsh, but felony no. Problem is that it's a pipe dream. How many murders, rapes, violent felonies, robberies are there every day? Don't see using up jail space for poachers is the answer. My idea would be to use the existing laws. You get busted spotlighting a deer. Truck, guns, license...all gone. You do that a time or three and guys going to think twice. Win win. Dnr sells the property and uses the money or use the property for themselves. I understand where Greg is going to. Say the neighbors put out a salt block. You have no idea it's there. You get caught. That the same as spotlighting. How about if your hpr is 1.81? There should be Leo discretion in many cases. Red handed shooting out of your truck...you lose it all. Please anyone correct me if wrong...but if you are not hunting your specific parcel of private property, you have zero control over and cannot be held accountable for anything someone does on their neighboring private parcel of land? Salt block scenario being a good example. I've been there. 2 out of 3 CO'S present agreed with you (and me), the other one didn't. Guess it depends on how much you want to spend to prove you are right. As far as poaching being a felony...No. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 30, 2016 13:42:39 GMT -5
A salt block placed close to your property line can put your land off limits to hunting also ..... Any type of bait in all reality
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Post by jjas on Mar 30, 2016 14:02:43 GMT -5
This impacts much more than just deer hunting....
In addition to establishing new felony-level penalties for poaching, Governor Dayton’s reform proposal also seeks to lengthen hunting and fishing license revocations—up to a maximum of 10 years. The new penalties would apply to any poacher who takes more than $2,000 value in wildlife, or any of the below:
Four or more deer
Two or more trophy deer
Five or more bears or turkeys
Forty or more ducks, geese, pheasant, grouse, or salmon
Sixty-seven or more walleye or Northern pike
I applaud the intent of tougher penalties, but filling the jails with poachers isn't realistic as most jail systems are overcrowded as is. I would support more community service hours as a penalty for crimes such as these, including working in the local animal shelter, picking up trash along the roads, working @ local homeless shelters, working in parks or anywhere manual labor is needed to keep a community clean.
Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 14:03:41 GMT -5
A salt block placed close to your property line can put your land off limits to hunting also ..... Any type of bait in all reality I get that if they place it close in an attempt to interfere. If I ever find out of a salt block on a neighboring property first thing I'm doing is informing my local CO. It is my property and I should be allowed to legally pursue deer on every inch of it, unaffected by neighboring property owners and their decisions. My most recent purchase has a similar case. Noticed a neighbor operates a feeder in the offseason...I assume just the off season. Going to go introduce myself and in the process find out. If they do it year round, local CO will be getting a call if they decide they don't want to work with me and not feed 10 days prior and on through the season. |
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Post by greghopper on Mar 30, 2016 14:06:37 GMT -5
If there not hunting they have the right to feed anytime they want..... Not sure what CO could do about it.
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Post by span870 on Mar 30, 2016 14:15:14 GMT -5
If there not hunting they have the right to feed anytime they want..... Not sure what CO could do about it. Ticket him for knowingly hunting over bait. Once you tell the CO, you now have knowledge of the bait or salt being there. |
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 15:23:24 GMT -5
I will discuss with the CO what to do. The nice thing is it is near a bedding/sanctuary of mine so I won't be hunting by them or within bow range, but I fully disclose everything.
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Post by nfalls116 on Mar 30, 2016 15:25:15 GMT -5
No
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Post by greghopper on Mar 30, 2016 16:04:35 GMT -5
I will discuss with the CO what to do. The nice thing is it is near a bedding/sanctuary of mine so I won't be hunting by them or within bow range, but I fully disclose everything. If there is a Deer run through your property to this feeder you couldn't hunt the run with bow or gun.... There is no set distance/range from a baited site. |
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 30, 2016 16:19:00 GMT -5
I will discuss with the CO what to do. The nice thing is it is near a bedding/sanctuary of mine so I won't be hunting by them or within bow range, but I fully disclose everything. If there is a Deer run through your property to this feeder you couldn't hunt the run with bow or gun.... There is no set distance/range from a baited site. I entirely get that you cannot hunt baited sites or from extrapulation runs leading to and from them on your property. The issue is the discretion a CO has to use in a case like I may have on my hands. Which is why I will bring the situation to the CO's attention well before Gracie neighbor calls and complains about her neighbor killing deer coming to her feeder...not good. Our CO's in our area are good folk and honestly I don't foresee there being an issue....nothing may be needed though if the neighbor doesn't feed during the season (10 days prior and through). Given my relationship with the CO's I'd probably still give them a heads up to be safe. |
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 30, 2016 17:24:48 GMT -5
In my opinion yes, yes it should be....or at minimum be a much larger penalty than it is currently. Are you calling any game violation "Poaching"? The reason I asked because some do..... All game violations are "poaching" |
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 30, 2016 17:30:02 GMT -5
Jail cells and prisons should be reserved for violent offenders only, IMO. Home invasions, burglaries n such are violent offenses IMO.
When it comes to poaching, fine them till it hurts then double it. Poaching a doe...$500 plus your weapon mandatory. Bucks cost you double up to PY minimum....then skyrocket from there. Booner size deer minimum ten grand
Small game $50 per critter minimum
NO PLEA DEALS
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