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Post by M4Madness on Apr 7, 2016 8:48:42 GMT -5
In fact, I can 100% attribute my fondness for military-style firearms for gaining me permission to hunt one of my most productive farms. Ten years ago, I had a guy I'd never met pull into my driveway while I was shooting my bow a couple of evenings before archery season. I had no idea who he was. He got out, introduced himself, and said that he'd heard that I was "into those kinds of guns".
He went on to explain that he had a buddy that was having mechanical issues with a belt-fed rifle and asked for advice. Talk turned to deer hunting, and he said,"I have a farm across the valley that no one has hunted in at least 20 years. You can hunt it if you want." I checked it out on a Friday evening, and hunted there the next morning. A half hour into legal shooting light, I arrowed a large doe. The landowner saw me leaving and couldn't believe that I'd killed one that quickly on unfamiliar ground. I went back one evening in firearms season and killed a 150-class buck after sitting less than an hour. 10 years later, I'm still killing deer there annually. And I have evil, scary, black rifles to thank for it.
AR-15 rifles are the most popular rifle in the country right now. Heck, Wal-Mart and farm supply stores such as Rural King sell them now.
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Post by bart1533 on Apr 7, 2016 9:22:29 GMT -5
I'm guessing many farmers would be pretty turned off when you jumped out of the truck carrying one too. Bad for the hunter image in my view. I'm glad that all the rich farmers I hunt on have an open mind and don't share your sentiments. One of them has horses worth more than most people's homes, yet trusts me around them 100% with rifles of any type. A .308 is a .308, whether shot from grandpa's old wood-stocked Model 70, from a bolt-action Remington 700 with modern synthetic stock and suppressor, or from an AR-10. If cosmetics bother someone, they have bigger issues.
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Post by arlowe13 on Apr 7, 2016 9:28:04 GMT -5
I know our leasor wants the deer, coyotes, groundhogs and black vultures (we have a federal permit) killed any and every which way. Doesn't care what rifles/weapons/equipment we use. He has 300-400 head of cattle on the farm at any given time. It comes down to building trust and education.
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Post by bullseye69 on Apr 7, 2016 9:29:21 GMT -5
This will probably ruffle some feathers, but the current trend to hit the woods and hunt with an AR or AK type "battle rifle" or 20 pound sniper rifle gives me the creeps. I don't want to be around anyone hunting with one of those, and you're not coming on my place or hunting with me if you are carrying one. That's not a hunting rifle in my view, it's a killing rifle made for fighting humans. I'm in no way anti gun, own several myself, but they will never go deer hunting with me. I'm guessing many farmers would be pretty turned off when you jumped out of the truck carrying one too. Bad for the hunter image in my view. I didn't know it was a trend yet.
If the farmer gets turned of with what your hunting with, then you don't have a good relationship with your farmer. You should know what he likes or dislikes.
All the farmers I know all ready have AR's or AK's.
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 7, 2016 9:29:58 GMT -5
Steiny, this isn't a jab at you personally, but what exactly defines a "sniper rifle"? Serious question.
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Post by omegahunter on Apr 7, 2016 9:35:12 GMT -5
Steiny, this isn't a jab at you personally, but what exactly defines a "sniper rifle"? Serious question. A rifle with its trained sniper behind it.
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Post by steiny on Apr 7, 2016 10:16:20 GMT -5
Told you it would ruffle some feathers. That's just my opinion.
What defines a "sniper rifle" from my viewpoint? There have been photos of a few in this thread; weight about double or triple that of a standard rifle, scope as big around as an oil can with compensation mil dots and adjustable turrets, heavy bull barrel that you could use as a jack handle, plastic adjustable giant fat stock painted the latest urban camo with a five pound bipod and 12" long suppressor on the front, etc. And don't forget it is best in some weird wildcat round that you can't readily buy anywhere. You get the idea.
If you ever went elk or sheep hunting in the mountains, you'd throw that big thing in the trash before the weight killed you and pick up your old dads 7# model 70, 30-06 with a 2x7 scope.
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Post by realhunter on Apr 7, 2016 11:02:12 GMT -5
Told you it would ruffle some feathers. That's just my opinion. What defines a "sniper rifle" from my viewpoint? There have been photos of a few in this thread; weight about double or triple that of a standard rifle, scope as big around as an oil can with compensation mil dots and adjustable turrets, heavy bull barrel that you could use as a jack handle, plastic adjustable giant fat stock painted the latest urban camo with a five pound bipod and 12" long suppressor on the front, etc. And don't forget it is best in some weird wildcat round that you can't readily buy anywhere. You get the idea. If you ever went elk or sheep hunting in the mountains, you'd throw that big thing in the trash before the weight killed you and pick up you old dads 7# model 70, 30-06 with a 2x7 scope. You would make Diane Feinstein so proud!
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Post by siprecision on Apr 7, 2016 11:55:39 GMT -5
Told you it would ruffle some feathers. That's just my opinion. What defines a "sniper rifle" from my viewpoint? There have been photos of a few in this thread; weight about double or triple that of a standard rifle, scope as big around as an oil can with compensation mil dots and adjustable turrets, heavy bull barrel that you could use as a jack handle, plastic adjustable giant fat stock painted the latest urban camo with a five pound bipod and 12" long suppressor on the front, etc. And don't forget it is best in some weird wildcat round that you can't readily buy anywhere. You get the idea. If you ever went elk or sheep hunting in the mountains, you'd throw that big thing in the trash before the weight killed you and pick up your old dads 7# model 70, 30-06 with a 2x7 scope. Heck, you should have just called me out by name. Don't like my rifles? Don't care, but I won't just let you muddy the water with ignorance. They are purpose built precision rifles made to compete in the Precision Rifle Series. The PRS is a practical approach to long range shooting. Stages are all practical scenario based, whether hunting, or mil/Leo bases. All are timed, and many are from improvised positions- barricades, rockpiles, and many other natural obstacles. Targets are small, ranges long, and the accuracy level of the shooters is incredible. Down right unbelievable to most. My years as a PRS competitor, has made me a much more efficient/effective hunter. As to mildot reticles, adjustable turrets and scope size, suppressors, and fancy chamberings. Well, things have evolved greatly in the rifle world since the early 80s. If you prefer to be stick there so be it. In the end, what does all this mean? It means that my 20lb "Sniper" rifle is the latest in rifle technology, made specifically for practical competition,and by product of that it is an extremely effective deer hunting tool.
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Post by sakorifle on Apr 7, 2016 12:14:16 GMT -5
greetings For the record i have nothing against accurate rifles i love them. mine is a sako 75 leup 6.5x20 target turret on top, and a moderator and bipod. And i can carry it all day, odd stop for coffee but so what. oh and its accurate alright. lol And if one is going to shoot stuff at slightly longer ranges for heavens sake have the equitment on top of it to do it. or you are guessing. And thats not good for the target, its called animal welfare. My mate uses heavy rifles and he shoots like a demon, bit heavy for me but then i am not him am i. regards Billy
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 7, 2016 12:14:59 GMT -5
Told you it would ruffle some feathers. That's just my opinion. What defines a "sniper rifle" from my viewpoint? There have been photos of a few in this thread; weight about double or triple that of a standard rifle, scope as big around as an oil can with compensation mil dots and adjustable turrets, heavy bull barrel that you could use as a jack handle, plastic adjustable giant fat stock painted the latest urban camo with a five pound bipod and 12" long suppressor on the front, etc. And don't forget it is best in some weird wildcat round that you can't readily buy anywhere. You get the idea. If you ever went elk or sheep hunting in the mountains, you'd throw that big thing in the trash before the weight killed you and pick up your old dads 7# model 70, 30-06 with a 2x7 scope. Google tells me a Model 70 weighs 6-8 pounds, depending on exact configuration. My Remington 700 left the factory at 7 1/4 pounds. My aftermarket stock weighs 2 OUNCES more than the factory one, so let's call it 7 1/2 pounds with plastic magazine. My 2.5-10 scope weighs 16 ounces dead nuts, so we're now up to 8 1/2 pounds. Add in rings and scope base, and we can call it a 9-pounder. About the same as Grandpa's trusty scoped Model 70, and with a lot better trigger and rifling to boot. Obviously the suppressor adds weight, but at 8" long, I can easily slip it into my pocket.
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Post by steiny on Apr 7, 2016 12:35:03 GMT -5
You guys are fun ! Don't need the education, I know all about rifles, what all of those gadgets are for, how they work, etc. Have an extensive collection myself, reload, shoot quite a bit, etc. But you wouldn't catch me hunting with one of those ugly boat anchors.
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 7, 2016 12:43:26 GMT -5
Like I said, steiny, you are basing your opinion on cosmetics, which is your right. I just hope one day when I'm old that I'm a little more open-minded when the youngsters are hunting deer with phased plasma rifles in the 40-watt range. Lol!
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 7, 2016 12:50:12 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks Steiny..
The beauty of it is we can make our own choices. At the end of the hunt the ONLY person we have to please is ourselves .
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Post by steiny on Apr 7, 2016 14:58:18 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my sporter rifles will probably shoot every bit as good as those big tanks, and certainly will shoot a lot better than myself and most shooters are capable of. I work over or replace the triggers to about 2.5 lbs, bed and float the stock / barrel, put quality Leupold optics on them, and figure out what load shoots best through them, etc.
Here is the mentality of many regarding rifles. Had this text from an acquaintance the other day. "Hey Steiny, what power scope do you recommend on a 30-06 for my son to use this fall deer hunting, say out to 400 yards or so." Anybody that knows jack about rifles would know that a 30-06 shooting normal off the shelf 180 grain bullets sighted in the standard 2" high at 100 yards will drop roughly 24" at 400 yards, and making that shot on a deer requires a pretty skilled marksman, first rate equipment, a rock solid rest, a quality lazer range finder, etc. The average guy making that shot with an out of the box Mossberg with a 7# trigger, Tasco scope and cheap store bought ammo is about as probable as me doing it with a bow. I fear these new regs are going to have a bunch of folks trying these shots.
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Post by medic22 on Apr 7, 2016 15:20:39 GMT -5
Id range the deer with my compensation mil dots, and turn my adjustable turret to 6. Easy peasy
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Post by siprecision on Apr 7, 2016 15:43:22 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my sporter rifles will probably shoot every bit as good as those big tanks, and certainly will shoot a lot better than myself and most shooters I'd greedily take that bet...
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 7, 2016 15:55:56 GMT -5
For me, I liken it to a guy coming bow hunting with a full fledge range bow set up.....HUGE stabilizers (not just one) and such to go bow hunting with. Works? Heck yeah, practical...well that is debatable depending on the person.
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 7, 2016 15:57:08 GMT -5
Anybody that knows jack about rifles would know that a 30-06 shooting normal off the shelf 180 grain bullets sighted in the standard 2" high at 100 yards will drop roughly 24" at 400 yards, and making that shot on a deer requires a pretty skilled marksman, first rate equipment, a rock solid rest, a quality lazer range finder, etc. I agree. Hunters like that will figure it out pretty quickly when they drop a bullet into the dirt at a deer's feet. Lol!
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 7, 2016 15:59:00 GMT -5
Anybody that knows jack about rifles would know that a 30-06 shooting normal off the shelf 180 grain bullets sighted in the standard 2" high at 100 yards will drop roughly 24" at 400 yards, and making that shot on a deer requires a pretty skilled marksman, first rate equipment, a rock solid rest, a quality lazer range finder, etc. I agree. Hunters like that will figure it out pretty quickly when they drop a bullet into the dirt at a deer's feet. Lol! What kind of crazy talk is that M4?!?! Everyone knows an HPR that misses it's target travels at minimum 2 miles lol! right?!
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