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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:15:11 GMT -5
I think the point is, you may never see the deer you spook. It's a very good point. I may see 3 or 4 deer that tolerate my presence on a 4-wheeler because they have become desensitized and never see the 160" buck that I ran off long before I got there. That kind of scenario has always haunted me, wondering how many deer I've missed a chance at because I spooked them one way or another before they showed themselves. It's those kinds of thoughts that will drive a man batty!
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 3, 2015 16:20:06 GMT -5
I'm confident that some mature bucks will spook at the slightest disturbance; however, during pre-rut...
This hunting video that I saw stated that it was better to have someone drop you off at your stand on an ATV than walk it leaving any sign of scent. However, that buck in my photo came down the same trail that I had 30 minutes after I did, just wasn't legal time to shoot.
I say walk if you can, but if like me, be thankful for the ride. Hoping to prep the food plot area this week and can stay out of the woods. wooohoooo!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:22:37 GMT -5
One thing I have learned to be true about deer hunting...EVERYTHING works sometimes. NOTHING works all the time.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 3, 2015 16:41:21 GMT -5
One thing I have learned to be true about deer hunting...EVERYTHING works sometimes. NOTHING works all the time. True... The ONLY thing about deer that is predictable is that they are unpredictable..
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Post by spaniel on Aug 3, 2015 21:17:23 GMT -5
My uncle used to go on about how ATVs didn't spook deer. For many years I'd walk out and set up before him, and hear his ATV drive in. I could hear the deer spooking out a quarter mile in front of him.
A few years ago we drew tags for elk in Montana's Missouri Breaks, which are heavily pressured during bow season. Unlike most hunters, we camped at the trail head. We could go out pre-dawn and elk were grazing within 200 yards of our tent. But at the first sound of an engine several miles away, they high-tailed it for the dark timber in the valley.
Animals adapt to pressure.
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Post by scrobertson on Aug 3, 2015 21:25:32 GMT -5
Animals adapt to pressure. Couldnt say it any better.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 3, 2015 22:01:15 GMT -5
Have any of you guys seen the three wheel electric creeper mobile? I'm not sure I know how to describe it any better. LOL
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Post by nfalls116 on Aug 3, 2015 23:07:53 GMT -5
The quietkat maybe? Or a hover round
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 4, 2015 0:25:05 GMT -5
I saw a video of it creeping around in the woods quietly. It's cool, but I'm going to be up on the hill looking over my baited food plot. yum yum
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Post by beermaker on Aug 4, 2015 7:01:42 GMT -5
The Quit cat costs $5k+ and I don't think it will drag a deer.
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Post by nfalls116 on Aug 4, 2015 7:19:57 GMT -5
The Quit cat costs $5k+ and I don't think it will drag a deer. you stand up and let the deer sit on the seat problem solved not sure on the snow pushing issue though
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Post by ms660 on Aug 4, 2015 8:12:41 GMT -5
ATV's are great to retrieve downed deer. I wouldn't hesitate to use one for that chore. I do not think an ATV should be used to access your hunting area, they will definitely spook deer. Not too many places in IN that we have to walk more than about a 1/2 mile to a stand anyway, and most of us could use the exercise. I agree with you on the exercise, but a 1/2 mile up and down through the Pike -Warick County spoil banks will have any iron man huffing and puffing
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Post by steiny on Aug 4, 2015 9:18:17 GMT -5
So you huff and puff a little? Part of hunting is getting some healthy outdoor exercise. Allow yourself a little more time to get to your stand. Try elk hunting at 9,000 feet if you want to understand what true huffing and puffing is all about
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 11:16:12 GMT -5
So you huff and puff a little? Part of hunting is getting some healthy exercise. My issue is the sweat that comes with it. I HATE getting sweaty going to my stand. Takes all my confidence away. I can't walk up to the top of my property without working up quite a lather. Especially in the early season when scent is most crucial.
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Post by steiny on Aug 4, 2015 13:03:27 GMT -5
I get the concern about sweating. Odor never concerned me nearly as bad as once you sweat in cold weather, you can chill pretty badly. If you're playing the wind correctly, odor isn't an issue. I frequently carry my outer layers strapped to my pack to avoid this problem.
This year marks 42 years of deer hunting for me. Not sure that four wheelers even existed when I started hunting? Now all the TV deer shows would lead you to believe you can't go hunting without one.
I've had some pretty negative experiences with ATV's, particularly hunting the western states. Used to be you could hike away from the road a couple miles pre-dawn and be in some great deer hunting. Numerous times in recent years I've done the same, only to have some joker on an ATV come riding in on me about daylight blowing all of the deer out of the country. ATV's have ruined the western hunting experience in many places.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 13:11:28 GMT -5
I get the concern about sweating. Odor never concerned me nearly as bad as once you sweat in cold weather, you can chill pretty badly. If you're playing the wind correctly, odor isn't an issue. Yeah, the sweat thing probably damages my confidence worse than my chances, but confidence is also an important factor IMO also, the wind is hard to play well when it swirls as bad as it often does in my hunting areas.
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Post by jimstc on Aug 4, 2015 13:57:15 GMT -5
I think the point is, you may never see the deer you spook. It's a very good point. I may see 3 or 4 deer that tolerate my presence on a 4-wheeler because they have become desensitized and never see the 160" buck that I ran off long before I got there. That kind of scenario has always haunted me, wondering how many deer I've missed a chance at because I spooked them one way or another before they showed themselves. It's those kinds of thoughts that will drive a man batty! Met, I got the point but I don't have an option of not running equipment. The deer get used to it or leave and I hunt the ones that stay. As I have said twice in this thread: deer adapt. The buck in my avatar was killed here. Weighed over 200 lbs. Some like it here. Food plots and water. Makes for a good home For someone to draw an analogy between a random ATV rider on public land and the reaction of deer on my place is misguided at best. I control the entire environment here except the weather and to a certain extent the insects. That is impossible to do on public lands.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 4, 2015 14:47:50 GMT -5
I sweat getting out of the truck.
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Post by jimstc on Aug 4, 2015 15:59:19 GMT -5
Regarding sweating, it is all about what you wear, as everyone already knows. If you step up and buy some good hunting clothing that wick the sweat from your body. You are safe. We walked 5 miles into Hoosier National last season. Air temp was in the 20's. I was sweating heavily because of the climbs. When we got to our destination my outer layer of four layers was damp. My inner base layers were fine. I was, and stayed warm. Use the technology that is now available. It has scent control and excellent wicking. My clothing were a combination of UA base layers and Onyx Artic Shield outerwear. Not cheap but hypothermia kills. # 1 cause of hunter deaths.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Aug 4, 2015 16:23:46 GMT -5
Regarding sweating, it is all about what you wear, as everyone already knows. If you step up and buy some good hunting clothing that wick the sweat from your body. You are safe. We walked 5 miles into Hoosier National last season. Air temp was in the 20's. I was sweating heavily because of the climbs. When we got to our destination my outer layer of four layers was damp. My inner base layers were fine. I was, and stayed warm. Use the technology that is now available. It has scent control and excellent wicking. My clothing were a combination of UA base layers and Onyx Artic Shield outerwear. Not cheap but hypothermia kills. # 1 cause of hunter deaths. I would sweat just STEPPING UP to buy something. LOL
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