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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 2, 2015 15:36:49 GMT -5
Bonus Counties… The DNR is continuing to lower the bonus permits numbers. 8 more counties had their numbers lowered from last year. 4 of the counties dropped out of the late “special antlerlerless season". Only 1 county (Martin ) went up. It went from a 3 to a 4. Reduced tags… LaGrange – 4 to a 3 Steuben 4 to a 3 Marshal 4 to a 3 Sullivan 4 to a3 Jackson 8 to a 4 Whitley 3 to a 1 Benton 1 to an A Switzerland 8 to a 4 Added tags… Martin 3 to a 4
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Post by firstwd on Jul 2, 2015 15:44:27 GMT -5
More proof that the plan that was put in place is working. Slowly, with small movements at a time, just like everything with mature has to be done.
Unfortunately, the complainers with just continue to complain that things aren't happening fast enough for their liking.
***** Made a quick look after posting this. Another group is again bashing the DNR as a bunch of jokes and not listening to them or taking them seriously, yet. They have even mentioned going to the legislators or the governor.
Wow. Simply, wow. I just can not understand the thought process of some people.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 2, 2015 16:44:36 GMT -5
Comparing bonus numbers by county - 2012 versus 2015 A LOT more drops than raises… Not sure how anyone can say that the DNR Fish and Wildlife is not addressing what some call a “severely declining herd.” The counties and the changes... Adams – No Change Allen – 8 to a 4 (-4) Bartholomew – 4 to an 8 (+4) Benton – 2 to an A (-2) Blackford – No Change Boone – No Change Brown – No Change Carroll – No Change Cass – 4 to a 3 (-1) Clark – No Change Clay – No Change Clinton – No Change Crawford – No Change Daviess – 3 to a 2 (-1) Dearborn – 8 to a 4 (-4) Decatur – No Change De Kalb – 8 to a 4 (-4) Delaware – No Change Dubois – No Change Elkhart – 8 to a 4 (-4) Fayette No Change Floyd – No Change Fountain - No Change Franklin – No Change Fulton – 8 to a 4 (-4) Gibson – 8 to a 4 (-4) Grant – No Change Greene – 4 to a 3 (-1) Hamilton – No Change Hancock - No Change Harrison – No Change Hendricks – No Change Henry – 3 to a 4 ( ) Howard – 8 to a 3 (-5) Huntington – 8 to a 3 (-5) Jackson – No Change Jasper – No Change Jay – No Change Jefferson – No Change Jennings - No Change Johnson – No Change Knox – No Change Kosciusko – 8 to a 4 (-4) La Porte – 8 to a 4 (-4) Lagrange – 8 to a 3 (-5) Lake – 8 to a 4 (-4) Lawrence – 4 to an 8 (+4) Madison – 8 to a 4 (-4) Marion - No Change Marshall – 8 to 3 (-5) Martin – 3 to a 4 ( ) Miami – 4 to a 3 (-1) Monroe – 4 to an 8 (+4) Montgomery – No Change Morgan – 8 to a 4 (-4) Newton – 4 to a 3 (-1) Noble – 8 to a 4 (-4) Ohio - No Change Orange – No Change Owen – No Change Parke – No Change Perry – 4 to a 3 (-1) Pike – No Change Porter – 8 to a 4 (-4) Posey – 4 to a 3 (-1) Pulaski – No Change Putnam – 8 to a 4 (-4) Randolph – No Change Ripley – 4 to an 8 (+4) Rush – No Change St. Joseph – 8 to a 4 (-4) Scott – 8 to a 4 (-4) Shelby – No Change Spencer No Change Starke – No Change Steuben – 8 to a 3 (-5) Sullivan – 4 to a 3 (-1) Switzerland – 8 to an 4 (-4) Tippecanoe – 8 to a 4 (-4) Tipton – No Change Union – No Change Vanderburgh – No Change Vermillion – 8 to a 4 (-4) Vigo – No Change Wabash - 4 to a 3 (-1) Warren – 8 to a 4 (-4) Warrick – 4 to a 3 (-1) Washington – No Change Wayne – 4 to a 3 (-1) Wells – 1 to an A (-1) White – 8 to a 4 (-4) Whitley – 4 to a 2 (-2)
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 2, 2015 17:24:20 GMT -5
More proof that the plan that was put in place is working. Slowly, with small movements at a time, just like everything with mature has to be done. Unfortunately, the complainers with just continue to complain that things aren't happening fast enough for their liking. ***** Made a quick look after posting this. Another group is again bashing the DNR as a bunch of jokes and not listening to them or taking them seriously, yet. They have even mentioned going to the legislators or the governor. Wow. Simply, wow. I just can not understand the thought process of some people. The only thing the legislature could get involved in is the "Deer Damage Permit System". It is Indiana code and the legislature would have to change it. That is not going to happen as the farmer side of the Farm Bureau has some pretty powerful lobbiests. Number of bonus tags per county is strictly the provenance of the DNR F&W... Meddling by a politician is what got us where we are today. No Hunter should ever want politicians in the game management business ..no good can come of that ..
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 2, 2015 18:39:08 GMT -5
BTW - this brings it to a total of 32 counties that are not eligible for the "late special antlerless season"..
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 2, 2015 18:51:12 GMT -5
Ooopsssss...
One more thing. The DNR told me that there were only 1,448 deer reported killed using "deer damage control permits" in 2014.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 2, 2015 21:19:31 GMT -5
Ooopsssss... One more thing. The DNR told me that there were only 1,448 deer reported killed using "deer damage control permits" in 2014. That's what, one month of road kill animals?
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Post by chubwub on Jul 2, 2015 21:32:51 GMT -5
Ooopsssss... One more thing. The DNR told me that there were only 1,448 deer reported killed using "deer damage control permits" in 2014. How many illegal permits were issued? Lol
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Post by firstwd on Jul 2, 2015 22:03:30 GMT -5
It seems that deer harvest is a lot like guns. In stead of controlling the people who are doing illegal things, some folks want to take more freedoms away from those law abiding people doing things right.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 2, 2015 23:02:07 GMT -5
I wish they would change those number for parke for all out of towners looking at this sight contemplating anywoods near where I have permission to hunt don't believe the harvest numbers no deer here I promise and steep hollers to boot
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Post by jjas on Jul 2, 2015 23:39:17 GMT -5
I've read comments on various sites today/tonight and many people are saying that even with the reduction in the bonus antlerless permits, the numbers are still too high and the dnr needs to lower them more drastically. They contend that doing this would make a huge difference.
For those people I have a couple of questions..
1. How many of you were saying just a few years ago that we needed to kill more does. How many times did we hear "Pass the bucks and kill those does"?
2. Would it really make that big of a difference if the DNR did cut more bonus antler less permits per county?
I contend that the DNR could have made every county a 2 and it wouldn't really make much of a difference.....
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but let's say I hunted in one county with just 2 bonus antlerless permits....I could still kill a deer with a bow, a crossbow, a rifle, and a muzzle loader in the three different seasons. So without having to purchase a single bonus antlerless permit I could kill four deer. PLUS I could still kill 2 additional deer with my two bonus antlerless permits, for a total of 6 deer. And that's if I hunt in just one county.
The numbers from 2010 (which are the last numbers broken down this way I could find) show that during the 2010 season just 2.4 percent of hunters killed 4 deer, .9 percent of hunters killed 5 deer, .5 percent of hunters killed 6 deer and .2 percent of hunters killed 7 deer.
Point being...it's not like we have a huge percentage of hunters killing 5,6,7 deer.
In the end, it's up to each hunter to decide how many deer to take from their hunting area. In other words, if you are complaining about the number of deer you are seeing, quit killing deer. Maybe ease up on the does and buttons and doe fawns.
If you don't, then quit complaining about it.....
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Post by firstwd on Jul 3, 2015 7:02:44 GMT -5
I've read comments on various sites today/tonight and many people are saying that even with the reduction in the bonus antlerless permits, the numbers are still too high and the dnr needs to lower them more drastically. They contend that doing this would make a huge difference. For those people I have a couple of questions.. 1. How many of you were saying just a few years ago that we needed to kill more does. How many times did we hear "Pass the bucks and kill those does"? 2. Would it really make that big of a difference if the DNR did cut more bonus antler less permits per county? I contend that the DNR could have made every county a 2 and it wouldn't really make much of a difference..... Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but let's say I hunted in one county with just 2 bonus antlerless permits....I could still kill a deer with a bow, a crossbow, a rifle, and a muzzle loader in the three different seasons. So without having to purchase a single bonus antlerless permit I could kill four deer. PLUS I could still kill 2 additional deer with my two bonus antlerless permits, for a total of 6 deer. And that's if I hunt in just one county. The numbers from 2010 (which are the last numbers broken down this way I could find) show that during the 2010 season just 2.4 percent of hunters killed 4 deer, .9 percent of hunters killed 5 deer, .5 percent of hunters killed 6 deer and .2 percent of hunters killed 7 deer. Point being...it's not like we have a huge percentage of hunters killing 5,6,7 deer. In the end, it's up to each hunter to decide how many deer to take from their hunting area. In other words, if you are complaining about the number of deer you are seeing, quit killing deer. Maybe ease up on the does and buttons and doe fawns. If you don't, then quit complaining about it..... I completely agree. To me, the best thing to adjust that is to make the county numbers TOTAL ANTLERLESS and not BONUS ANTLERLESS. Maybe the people who are complaining about the high bonus numbers think non local hunters are coming to a certain area because the map shows a higher deer density based on harvest allotment.
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Post by jjas on Jul 3, 2015 8:12:50 GMT -5
firstwd
So let's say you do that. What number of antlerless deer allowed per county would you like to see?
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Post by firstwd on Jul 3, 2015 9:11:19 GMT -5
firstwd So let's say you do that. What number of antlerless deer allowed per county would you like to see? As a start, the numbers could remain as the bonus map shows now. The only exception would be change the A counties to a 1.
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Post by jjas on Jul 3, 2015 9:25:29 GMT -5
firstwd So let's say you do that. What number of antlerless deer allowed per county would you like to see? As a start, the numbers could remain as the bonus map shows now. The only exception would be change the A counties to a 1. What impact do you feel that would have on the antlerless harvest?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 3, 2015 9:35:28 GMT -5
To me... The only real significant movement in number of antlerless killed within a county is a drop from 4 to 3 thus taking that county out of the "late special antlerless season". Other than that dropping or raising the numbers in a county has a minimal effect.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 3, 2015 9:40:06 GMT -5
As a start, the numbers could remain as the bonus map shows now. The only exception would be change the A counties to a 1. What impact do you feel that would have on the antlerless harvest? For the majority of hunters, absolutely nothing.
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Post by jjas on Jul 3, 2015 9:57:02 GMT -5
To me... The only real significant movement in number of antlerless killed within a county is a drop from 4 to 3 thus taking that county out of the "late special antlerless season". Other than that dropping or raising the numbers in a county has a minimal effect. And even if you did that throughout the state, what real difference would it make right now? Last season the late antlerless season total was 4,200 deer. That's 45 deer per county. It might make people feel better, but that's it. My point is, I feels this is getting blown out of proportion and I don't think the deer herd is in danger of collapse. What I do think is that people need to ease up in areas that have been hit hard by EHD, hunting and tough Winters and deer numbers are down.
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Post by jjas on Jul 3, 2015 9:58:54 GMT -5
What impact do you feel that would have on the antlerless harvest? For the majority of hunters, absolutely nothing. And that is (and has been) my point. IMHO, we (as hunters) need to show a bit more restraint in the killing of does, buttons and fawns in many areas, but especially areas hit hard by hunting, EHD and rough Winters.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 3, 2015 10:15:13 GMT -5
To me... The only real significant movement in number of antlerless killed within a county is a drop from 4 to 3 thus taking that county out of the "late special antlerless season". Other than that dropping or raising the numbers in a county has a minimal effect. And even if you did that throughout the state, what real difference would it make right now? Last season the late antlerless season total was 4,200 deer. That's 45 deer per county. Actually it is more than that. I think There were 64 counties that were eligible for the late season last year. That gives 65 per county. There are four less counties this year.. It's a good spigot to turn off and on for the DNR. The new DNR Directer controlled "Deer Reduction Zones" will be another management tool at their disposal ..
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