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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 1, 2015 16:34:47 GMT -5
Key words are "should not"...
No, I'll abide by the laws, but bad boys don't..
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jul 1, 2015 21:19:01 GMT -5
Our second amendment rights should not end at any entrance way of any establishment or property .. Carry one into a Federal Courthouse and let us know how that works out for you. ;-) Or airport.
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Post by omegahunter on Jul 2, 2015 10:46:29 GMT -5
Guess Hovey Lake, too, since it is federal property maintained by DNR through a lease agreement. Hovey Lake is similar to Bluegrass and Bluegrass is an Indiana Fish and Wildlife Area purchased by the State IDNR for hunters and fishermen.
Patoka Lake is definitely a Corp's Project but I'm not so sure about Hovey.
Today I was watching C Span for a while and they had some mid level Federal Court hearing arguments about the California Gun Carrying laws being too restrictive. I hope that the courts rule in favor of the 2nd amendment and rule all these laws unconstitutional and restore our rights to bear arms. The US Constitution should trump all these other various laws and rules and regulations. If they want to ban guns and arms then let them try to change the US Constitution. I thought this for a long time. And I never owned any handguns until recently. It cost me a lot of money to get though all the legal hurdles and I think it's more about money than anything else.
Just had to make a trip to the Posey County courthouse not long ago for work and found the Hovey Lake deeds from property owners to the Corp of Engineers and also the lease to the State. The property is still owned by the Federal government by the Corp of Engineers.
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Post by moose1am on Jul 2, 2015 10:57:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the research and information. I'm wondering if since the Corp does not manage anything but the area around the damn itself and the IDNR does all the managing of the majority of the properties if one can carry if they have a carry permit.
I got this idea today when I went to the Brookville Lake web site where I read that IDNR rules stated that One can't carry a firearm (except for a legally permitted one) bb gun, air gun, Co2 gun, or spear gun into the area unless it's unloaded, unnotched and stored in a certain way. I'm paraphrasing what was written. But the gist of what I read was that one could carry a gun (firearm) if they have a legal permit at Brookville Lake IDNR property. Which makes me think that if IDNR says it's ok then it must be ok. Of course this would only be applicable if you have a legal Indiana Carry Permit that's valid.
I think that they shut down the office after it was flooded for the umpteenth time and move the manager to a trailer further South along the Highway. I think also read that Mark P quit or was transferred from Hovey and they were still trying to get another property manager there. That was some time ago and hopefully they got someone to replace Mark by now at Hovey.
So yes the Corp still owns the Damn and all the area but they don't actively manage anything other than the immediate area around the damn and the tail water and the over look areas.
This is crazy I know and it's complicated.
I'll probably not be going to Hovey other to hunt coyotes and I'll be carrying my rifle and have a hand gun for back up while hunting in the fields far away from the Dam and ACOE areas.
PS: I just figured out recently that Mark was transferred to Sugar Ridge and now is the Property Manger for Sugar Ridge Fish and Wild Life Area as well as for the Blue Grass Fish and Wildlife Area.
Just had to make a trip to the Posey County courthouse not long ago for work and found the Hovey Lake deeds from property owners to the United States of America and also the lease to the State. The property is still owned by the Federal government.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jul 2, 2015 14:20:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the research and information. I'm wondering if since the Corp does not manage anything but the area around the damn itself and the IDNR does all the managing of the majority of the properties if one can carry if they have a carry permit.
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Moose, when I called the property management office, they told me that it was just the area controlled by the Corp of Army Engineers, so the rest of the area is fine. Question: Has anyone ever heard of anyone getting fined for violating this...?
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 2, 2015 22:24:07 GMT -5
theres no l aw against carry in HNF. It is army corps of engineer properties only, i.e. certain lakes like brookville, falls of the ohio, monroe...
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Post by moose1am on Jul 2, 2015 22:55:12 GMT -5
OK thanks. That's good news for people that carry .
Thanks for the research and information. I'm wondering if since the Corp does not manage anything but the area around the damn itself and the IDNR does all the managing of the majority of the properties if one can carry if they have a carry permit.
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Moose, when I called the property management office, they told me that it was just the area controlled by the Corp of Army Engineers, so the rest of the area is fine. Question: Has anyone ever heard of anyone getting fined for violating this...?
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 3, 2015 7:23:00 GMT -5
question....do you really want to tempt fate with the feds?
no felony for me, thank you
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Post by art338wm on Aug 12, 2015 17:34:31 GMT -5
Personally unless there is a known risk of being checked either by pat down or metal detector I carry regardless of rules. A wise gun owner once coined the phrase :911 is nothing more than government sponsored "dial a prayer"
If your sole and only plan to survive violent encounters with criminals or crazies is dialing 911 while at the same time depending on Divine intervention, the outcome of such a calamity is your likely going to get a free chalk outline of you self courtesy of your local LEO department.
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Post by art338wm on Aug 12, 2015 17:47:04 GMT -5
question....do you really want to tempt fate with the feds? no felony for me, thank you Has anyone reading this EVER had their person searched by a DNR officer? I have been told Indiana residents who are current CC license holders automatically come up as such when ever we have our Drvr/L or plates run by a officer of the law, if true I would think long and hard before I would carry on fed land against the rules. I ask this because about 2 or so years ago my co-worker got a DUI and he told me when the officer ran either his plates or license (I cant recall which) the officer informed him the fact he is a CC license came up and then was asked at this moment if he was armed or had any weapons on his person or in the vehicle. If accurate something for all of us CC license holders to consider while on fed land that prohibits HG carry.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 12, 2015 19:26:51 GMT -5
question....do you really want to tempt fate with the feds? no felony for me, thank you Has anyone reading this EVER had their person searched by a DNR officer? I have been told Indiana residents who are current CC license holders automatically come up as such when ever we have our Drvr/L or plates run by a officer of the law, if true I would think long and hard before I would carry on fed land against the rules. I ask this because about 2 or so years ago my co-worker got a DUI and he told me when the officer ran either his plates or license (I cant recall which) the officer informed him the fact he is a CC license came up and then was asked at this moment if he was armed or had any weapons on his person or in the vehicle. If accurate something for all of us CC license holders to consider while on fed land that prohibits HG carry. Seldom do officers wait to run your license before asking about weapons.
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Post by moose1am on Nov 3, 2015 23:37:35 GMT -5
Our second amendment rights should not end at any entrance way of any establishment or property .. Carry one into a Federal Courthouse and let us know how that works out for you. ;-) Can you check your gun at the door of the Federal Court House and leave it safely with the Marshalls and get it back when you finish your business in the Federal Court house and then leave with your carry gun and go home? Probably not but it's a nice thought. I'd probably elect to keep carry pistol locked up in the car or at home if I had to go into the Federal Court House or an Airport or other type of building that does not allow guns of any kind inside the building. Things like Public Schools and Hospitals probably prohibit guns in those buildings. I know that it's not allowed in schools and most likely not allowed in area hospitals but I'm not sure about the Hospitals. But it's just common sense that the hospitals don't want people carrying guns inside their hospital even if you have a legal carry permit. It's a mess. I never owned a pistol before this past year and never had to deal with all these rules. Life was easier back then but not necessarily safer for me.
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Post by dadfsr on Nov 4, 2015 6:21:07 GMT -5
Our second amendment rights should not end at any entrance way of any establishment or property .. Well said Woody. Not that I'm trying to hijack the thread but try doing that on the Purdue campus....
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Post by subzero350 on Nov 5, 2015 15:28:59 GMT -5
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Post by lwb on Nov 30, 2015 18:47:36 GMT -5
I hunt and camp at Mississinewa every year and deer and squirrel hunt all the time.Look at a property map the only place you can't carry is the part controlled by the corps of engineers.I have a permit and have carried mine right into the office and nothing was said.It states in their rules you can carry with a permit.
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Post by bartiks on Dec 16, 2015 20:50:39 GMT -5
If you are going to be going into a federal courthouse why would you want to carry one in there with you any ways. I'm sure there are plenty of video's out there that show some individual trying to get away from the cops or someone that looks suspicious to the LEO's in there, just see how many of them respond. I saw a video once where a guy ran out of a courtroom and shortly there after there were no less that 15 LEO's with guns drawn.
Now I know that this isn't about whether you should or shouldn't carry in a court house or what have you, it's about the idea that you are a law abiding citizen that pays your taxes to the state/government and you should (in my opinion) be allowed to.
But there was a valid question brought up, "if you have a federal firearms license, can you carry it on federal property?" That is something that I think I might look into myself.
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