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Post by jimstc on Jun 2, 2015 18:28:29 GMT -5
Jon, This leasing company has leases in at least 20 states for whatever it is worth to our discussion. Go to the web site......
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 2, 2015 18:31:17 GMT -5
The landowner I'm referring to did not set the leasing prices for their farms, and did not even seek out to lease the properties at all. They were contacted by the leasing company, who checked out the properties and came up with a number. This landowner would never ask $6000 for a lease. In fact, they excluded the 350-acre farm I hunt from the leasing arrangement because they felt that it would be a slap in my face. I still have sole permission to hunt that farm for free after 20 years. That landowner has treated me like gold and I sincerely appreciate it.
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Post by jimstc on Jun 2, 2015 18:36:03 GMT -5
The landowner I'm referring to did not set the leasing prices for their farms, and did not even seek out to lease the properties at all. They were contacted by the leasing company, who checked out the properties and came up with a number. This landowner would never ask $6000 for a lease. In fact, they excluded the 350-acre farm I hunt from the leasing arrangement because they felt that it would be a slap in my face. I still have sole permission to hunt that farm for free after 20 years. That landowner has treated me like gold and I sincerely appreciate it. So what is your point? The landowner let the leasing company set the price and knew it was too high? Then why are you defending them and attacking the mean old leasing company??? I know the value of my land and no salesman/leasing agent is going to hoodwink me in to seeing riches when there are rags.....
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 2, 2015 18:40:39 GMT -5
No, what I'm saying is that the landowner I'm talking about is totally ignorant as to what the value of hunting rights should be for the farms. No clue whatsoever.
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 2, 2015 18:45:33 GMT -5
The landowner sent me an e-mail when they were first approached by the leasing company, and I replied. This is their reply back to me:
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 2, 2015 18:49:30 GMT -5
A good agent would want to get the most for his client and the highest profit for him/her. Absolutely, the market will set this price. If the market price is more than I can afford then it's just another thing that I can't afford. It is what it is.
I'm not saying that leases shouldn't exist; it's business and I'm for free market.
I'd still like to see a little guy get it. A rich just has more options. We have a guy here who just wants to break even on his taxes. If I had it, I'd pay his taxes for hunting rights.
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Post by jimstc on Jun 2, 2015 18:50:37 GMT -5
No, what I'm saying is that the landowner I'm talking about is totally ignorant as to what the value of hunting rights should be for the farms. No clue whatsoever. Then the landowner needs you as a friend and advisor. I mean that sincerely. Get him to bounce those type of things off you. I have lived in farm country for a long time and farmers are some of the hardest working people on earth. Sometimes some friendly advice is a good thing. I have the greatest respect for farmers. I am a "farmer lite". Just 15 acres.....
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Post by jimstc on Jun 2, 2015 18:54:22 GMT -5
The landowner sent me an e-mail when they were first approached by the leasing company, and I replied. This is their reply back to me: That is awesome! Loyalty is to be respected. Thanks for the post.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 2, 2015 20:33:38 GMT -5
So..
Does the lease agent actually lease the ground from the farmer and then try to sub-lease it or do they just tell the farmer that they will try to lease the ground and then they do some sort of a split IF they can get a leasor?
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Post by throbak on Jun 2, 2015 20:40:58 GMT -5
Tillable on the Ohio River is near 200 an acre
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Post by chubwub on Jun 2, 2015 21:07:45 GMT -5
I lived next to a basecamp lease once. Wasn't impressed with the people who leased it or the people who ran the operation. They were not very good neighbors.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 2, 2015 22:20:21 GMT -5
I lived next to a basecamp lease once. Wasn't impressed with the people who leased it or the people who ran the operation. They were not very good neighbors. Seen that before.... Only was listed as a 4 person lease tuned in to a gang bang buy many and there fiends!!!
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Post by chubwub on Jun 2, 2015 23:27:19 GMT -5
The most memorable incident with basecamp leasers as our neighbors was a large buck that wandered onto our property down the driveway with an arrow in the lower rump and both back legs broken in such a manner that he was dragging his back end with each leg sticking out sideways and horizontal to the ground at the hocks. He rammed one of the little 4ft. horse gates and ripped it off the hinges and staggered towards the barn almost impaling one of my horses in the process, the horse had to bust through one of the fences to get away from the deer. No one ever came to ask about the deer.
I realize accidents happen but damn...
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Post by harryman on Jun 3, 2015 0:46:40 GMT -5
Well seems like I stirred the pot by posting not my intentions. First I will say no way would I lease with a company agent. They are a business to make money they don't care who leases. If they find someone and I don't get a good vibe about them they just want the part of money.I'm aware of leasing agency HLN hunting lease network does same thing. I had a farm in Illinois I hunted for yrs they turned a good man into a greedy farmer. He leased it made quick cash good for him until people shot everything moving. Than no one leased for 3 yrs straight he got dependent on extra 12,000.00 each yr buying new truck etc.
Had to sell some land to cover over spending.
I believe in handshake deals with paperwork included.
I have also posted this on other sites and seen the results. So after thought I will probably lease out untillable section to cattle or a horse owner with use of the barn.
As far as the quality of hunting youth hunters took seven deer last year and this year my turkey along with some of the youths that hunted never took long. I tagged out first morning I hunted .
If I made a profit I probably would donate it to some kids group. Just the man I am and that's probably why I inherited this problem. So for now the youths will have the hunting rights throughout the whole property instead of area I was leaving for them.
I know the value of the farm rights when I leased it for crops. Like I said I'm a farmer. It's more important to me to help another farmer hurting for money. Hunting rights are difficult to me to put a price on because it's supposed to pure enjoyment not about shooting.
I used to give permission to others on farm at my home although I hunt myself. I would say ok but no bucks can be taken and leave a message on voicemail the day/night before hunting. This last part was for safety and so we wouldn't ruin hunts. Funny thing when you say no bucks nobody shows to hunt.I used this as a test to see if they needed meat or just wanted a rack.
The youths that hunt my land during firearms followed the rules after a week I told them to take a buck if they could make a good shot. Of course they would Bragg about how they waited for a perfect shot. I told them they learned hunting right.
Sorry once again for starting a debate not my intentions. Also the law don't cover you for accident if you lease unless you lease to dnr or government than they assume liability.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 3, 2015 5:38:51 GMT -5
I first thought the law didn't cover if money was exchanged, but after rereading it I discovered that it does.
Just a thought.
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Post by onebentarrow on Jun 3, 2015 7:32:19 GMT -5
Harryman. I do not know where your land lays but if I am close enough I would be willing to hunt does. I enjoy hunting and after filling my freezer I know some people that NEED the meat. One is blind one an older couple that lives on limited encome one is older man that can not hunt but loves deer. I always try to get them a deer. I do my own butchering so it cost them nothing. I have hunted places with the stipulation of no bucks befor and when u have a buck at 18 yds broad side from a blind it is hard not to shoot but those were the rules so he walked. If you are so inclined and in close enough proximity to me i will drive to your designated meeting place and you can meet me and ask me any questions you want. If you except me fine if not I had a good drive and met some one new and got to learn about them and talk hunting. Can not ask for a better day than that. Thank you for your thoughts on this post Sencerely
Onebentarrow
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 3, 2015 7:46:50 GMT -5
Harryman,
You're a good man. In a world where most folks are out to get as much as they can it is VERY refreshing to hear of a person such as you giving and sharing.
May God continue to bless you and your's..
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Post by onebentarrow on Jun 3, 2015 7:52:00 GMT -5
As in all walks of life there are.all kinds of people. Some respect the land,the animals they hunt and the land owner others are just there to kill something or every thing with no respect for neighbors, owner or the law. I do not begrudge a land owner for takeing the opertunity to make more income from the land they bought and pay taxes on how ever it hurts the little guy that hunted for meat in the freezer or some one that does not have a 6 figure job and cannot afford to pay to hunt. I think it also hurts new recruits to because a young person that has a family and never hunted can not justify that kind of outflow for a leasure activity. It also stalls small game hunting because no one wants any one on there lease messing up there expensive deer hunting so no beginning rabbit hunter or squirrel hunter has a place to hunt. I personally do not like it because when I pay to Hunt I feel I have to kill something to get my money's worth. It in no longer just fun and not as enjoyable to me. Just my 2 cents worth
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Post by harryman on Jun 3, 2015 13:08:27 GMT -5
Harryman, You're a good man. In a world where most folks are out to get as much as they can it is VERY refreshing to hear of a person such as you giving and sharing. May God continue to bless you and your's.. Thanks Woody I grew up with nothing lost parents young. Just me and sister grew up with aunt not a good home but, the neighbors next door the parents of farmer I inherited new land from retired moved to town was elderly late 70's. Well elderly to a 6 yr old lol. He taught me how to hunt, fish and even gave me my first gun and bow. Nothing fancy but it worked. My uncle and aunt that raised us was unbearable. Just glad I grew up with a good neighbor. Very humbling experience money never meant anything to me.I grew up got a job and met my wife she came from money but unlike her family it was unimportant. I was saving money for a house and got lucky on a lotto ticket not much money for loto winning (95,000)but made good down payment on my farm .Wife makes good income and I work for a good wage. We are expecting so I been blessed more than I could hope.
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Post by mrfixit on Jun 3, 2015 15:50:19 GMT -5
Isn't there liability protection for landowners afforded under current Indiana law. More specifically, isn't there a law that if you are allowing a person on your property for such things as hunting, four wheeling etc they cant sue you for getting injured?
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