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Post by bartiks on May 17, 2015 8:42:37 GMT -5
Hello all, I've heard a lot of talk about this "smoke method". First off I think I know what it is, but is it whenever you start a fire and you hang your clothes in the smoke? Or am I way off base there and secondly how can that possibly be a better method than using all of this scent neutralizing shampoo, washing machine soap and the like.
Maybe it's just me here but isn't the "absence" of scent better than a pugent smell that is freshly introduced into the area? And for clarity I know you can't eliminate all your scent 100% of the time no matter how far you want to take it. This has been something that has really scratching my head since I first heard of it last year around the kick off to the season.
Thanks for all feedback, and if someone has tried it both ways, in your opinion which way works best for you? God Bless
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Post by dbd870 on May 17, 2015 11:15:17 GMT -5
No interest here but to each tier own.
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2015 11:42:11 GMT -5
I use a bee smoker. The smoke smell is not the intended result but it is a by product of the thought behind why I do it. The smoke particles are a sticky, oily, carbony mess...they capture, encapsulate and help eliminate other scent particles. Of course it will not eliminate them all but if it reduces the PPM that reaches a deer's nose it might offer a guy an advantage.
I've never been a scent freak.....don't use scent free soap and don't use scent elimination spray.....but I have used a bee smoker the last two seasons and will likely use it every year in the future.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 11:43:45 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about the smoke, and not sure what I think about it. More importantly, I'm not sure what the deer would think about it.
I like to put my clothes in a bag with acorn powder. I don't know that it helps; it just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling like I'm doing something that helps.
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Post by bartiks on May 17, 2015 11:47:10 GMT -5
Bee smoker, what exactly is that? My thoughts are with a type of smoke it is a foreign scent being brought into the woods for the first time, now if I'm all wet behind the ears wouldn't that alert the deer to something is not right here; or can deer differentiate between a "natural odor" or a potential "predator odor"?
This is why I'm really confused about using smoke and now you mentioned bee smoker. Hopefully someone can enlighten me as to why use a smoking method, bee or otherwise in the first place. Thanks once again and god bless
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 12:01:17 GMT -5
Smoke in the woods could be a bad thing.
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2015 12:10:49 GMT -5
A bee smoker is exactly that....a smoker used in the handling of bees. Makes a colder and more easily controlled smoke.
I've never hunted anywhere that smoke would be considered a foreign smell in the woods... Burn piles, camp fires, wood stoves....I smell em all the time. Considering deer smell a lot better than I do I suspect they can smell traces of smoke just about every minute of every day.
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Post by bartiks on May 17, 2015 12:59:49 GMT -5
A bee smoker is exactly that....a smoker used in the handling of bees. Makes a colder and more easily controlled smoke. I've never hunted anywhere that smoke would be considered a foreign smell in the woods... Burn piles, camp fires, wood stoves....I smell em all the time. Considering deer smell a lot better than I do I suspect they can smell traces of smoke just about every minute of every day. Well I guess the old saying goes "look for simple solutions first", I completely had a brain fart on that one. I guess that is what I get for being stuck at work on a Sunday, not quite firing on all cylinders. Thanks for indulging my ignorance.
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2015 13:27:26 GMT -5
Many people have never used or seen a bee smoker....never had a reason to. I was the same....I read about the idea and stewed on it for a couple of years and then decided to give it a try. I carry a closet in the bed of my truck all deer season...
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Post by trapperdave on May 17, 2015 18:37:22 GMT -5
the smell of smoke does not spook deer, and it covers your scent. deer do not run from every smell they encounter. they run from predators. Predators dont smell like smoke. my .02
I used it last season and had deer bed within 30yds in a valley.
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Post by firstwd on May 17, 2015 18:49:38 GMT -5
I've done it for years, whether on purpose or not. I've been camping while hunting my entire life and inevitably been next to a burning camp fire in my hunting clothes.
Honestly, deer fear unexpected and sudden movements way more than any smells.
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Post by chubwub on May 17, 2015 19:22:01 GMT -5
I've always thought it works just like spraying perfume in the bathroom after you make a "deposit". The smell may not completely go away but the perfume competes with the stink in your olfactory area and masks the odor. So maybe the deer only picks up 10 scent molecules as opposed to 30-40 (made up numbers) and thinks "ah,there was a human here but that was some time ago, the scent isnt that fresh."
The closest thing I can compare that too is when you know there is a skunk in the area by smell, but the smell gradually fades as he walks off.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 19:57:52 GMT -5
I've always thought it works just like spraying perfume in the bathroom after you make a "deposit". The smell may not completely go away but the perfume competes with the stink in your olfactory area and masks the odor. So maybe the deer only picks up 10 scent molecules as opposed to 30-40 (made up numbers) and thinks "ah,there was a human here but that was some time ago, the scent isnt that fresh." The closest thing I can compare that too is when you know there is a skunk in the area by smell, but the smell gradually fades as he walks off. This is good chub. Oh I have so much to learn. I never thought about lingering smells like we smell a skunk. I can't imagine, and don't think I want to, what it's like to smell like they do.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 17, 2015 19:58:16 GMT -5
I used to pack my hunting clothes in containers with the Earth Scent Wafers... I got tired of the smell and it didn't seem to help in masking my odors...
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 19:59:30 GMT -5
the smell of smoke does not spook deer, and it covers your scent. deer do not run from every smell they encounter. they run from predators. Predators dont smell like smoke. my .02 I used it last season and had deer bed within 30yds in a valley. This is worth more than .02 to me. I think I'm going to try in now.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 20:03:06 GMT -5
I guess it's just best to play the wind when one can. That doe that was so close to me that I could have knocked her on the head with my crossbow was clueless that I was standing right there until she got 20 feet down wind of me. She stopped looked in my direction, and stage right, she was gone!
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2015 20:06:51 GMT -5
I don't think any amount of scent masking will ever work....a deer's nose just processes and separates the different smells. Encapsulating and actually eliminating them might drop the PPM that reaches their nose.....anyway, it works well enough for me.
The smoke smell isn't the part that works....
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 17, 2015 20:08:54 GMT -5
I don't think any amount of scent masking will ever work....a deer's nose just processes and separates the different smells. Encapsulating and actually eliminating them might drop the PPM that reaches their nose.....anyway, it works well enough for me. The smoke smell isn't the part that works.... This is a really good point. So it kind of traps the scent molecules???
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Post by swilk on May 17, 2015 20:14:52 GMT -5
Latches on and bonds with....similar to ozone but ozone does not have the byproduct of the smell. Its also easier to generate large amounts smoke which is very oily and long lasting.
Ozone is much more powerful...I had a house fire in 2001 and after a week with an industrial ozone generator in a sealed room none of my belongings had any smoke smell left. True odor elimination without any byproduct smell...
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Post by nfalls116 on May 17, 2015 21:24:41 GMT -5
I hang mine outside they pick up the scent from the surrounding houses and everything else I also hunt a short distance from my house so in my MInd I smell like their environment
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