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Post by esshup on May 14, 2015 7:48:14 GMT -5
I tried looking in the e-regs but didn't see the answer that I was seeking.
Does anybody know the maximum overall length of a pistol that would be legal to hunt deer with in Indiana (and not be considered a rifle) and if there is a maximum barrel length?
Since the CF rifle proposal looks to be a no-go for this year, I am switching my thoughts to a specialty pistol.
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Post by dbd870 on May 14, 2015 9:22:19 GMT -5
Here is your definition:
Ind. Code § 35-47-1-6
"Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.
I have kind of settled in to a 15" barrel as my favorite - kind of the best compromise between ease of carry and performance for me anyways. I have 17, 14, 12, and 8 inch barrels as well that can be used as handguns. I too have pretty well decided not to use a rifle this fall and only go with a specialty pistol. Think it will be my 6mmRem barrel (see avitar) but my 30-06 barrel is a fine shooter as well. Both are going to get range time this summer. Those are the only 2 handgun barrels that have taken deer (by myself and others) and it is tempting to break in one of the others - especially my 35Rem but I keep coming back to those 2. I also have a couple of XP's which I like just fine but the Encore is just more handy out in the woods. For glass I like the Burris 3-12 the best out of any I have; (that includes Leupold) however above 10X it gets very touchy to use, especially in the field.
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Post by omegahunter on May 14, 2015 9:31:08 GMT -5
Anyone making a forearm brace for the Encore similar to the ones available for the AR pistol?
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Post by dbd870 on May 14, 2015 9:32:11 GMT -5
Never seen one.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 14, 2015 10:09:37 GMT -5
Here is your definition: Ind. Code § 35-47-1-6 "Handgun" means any firearm: (1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or (2) any firearm with: (A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or (B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches. As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. I have kind of settled in to a 15" barrel as my favorite - kind of the best compromise between ease of carry and performance for me anyways. I have 17, 14, 12, and 8 inch barrels as well that can be used as handguns. I too have pretty well decided not to use a rifle this fall and only go with a specialty pistol. Think it will be my 6mmRem barrel (see avitar) but my 30-06 barrel is a fine shooter as well. Both are going to get range time this summer. Those are the only 2 handgun barrels that have taken deer (by myself and others) and it is tempting to break in one of the others - especially my 35Rem but I keep coming back to those 2. I also have a couple of XP's which I like just fine but the Encore is just more handy out in the woods. For glass I like the Burris 3-12 the best out of any I have; (that includes Leupold) however above 10X it gets very touchy to use, especially in the field. Man, you have some nice pistols. I must admit that I'm torn on the decision not to allow some other rifles. Looking at the handicap area at Atterbury, I'm a bit afraid to think that someone could be shooting a rifle in there. Someone could get shot from across the field. They have some nice flat open grassy areas, which will be nice to hunt, but it would be easy to not see someone 200yds away. On the other hand, I'd sure like to use one of my rifles to hunt ....or kill something in season. I guess I'll be using my Savage 220. |
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Post by esshup on May 15, 2015 10:15:01 GMT -5
dbd870, thanks! I have one large farm that I can hunt on, where it sure would make it easier if CF rifles were allowed. But, since it looks like they won't be allowed, a Specialty Pistol just might be my new gun. I have a line on one with an 18" barrel and it's chambered in 6.5 Leopard.
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Post by dbd870 on May 15, 2015 11:21:42 GMT -5
Oh man, that should be a sweet one! Did the owner give you any ballistic info on it? I really like the 6.5's as a family; my only handgun in one is a XP in 260Rem. That one should be enough faster to see a difference - especially at distance. Keep us informed.
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Post by dadfsr on May 15, 2015 11:25:08 GMT -5
My son, Danf, put together and gave me (for my birthday/Father's Day/Christmas present) a T/C Encore in .308 with a 14" barrel....I absolutely love that gun!!!! He has put together some hand loads for me that I know will put down a groundhog between the eyes at 270 yards and also almost took out the chest cavity of head on buck looking at me in the stand at about 40 yards! The only problem is making sure you have a good solid rest for the long shots but I certainly wouldn't be afraid of 250 yard shot at a deer if the opportunity and background allowed. I'm hoping to carry it on the next hog hunt that I may finally get to go on. It's certainly not a "quick draw" gun so hunting from a stand or stillhunting are my preferred routes to go when carrying it.
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Post by esshup on May 15, 2015 15:39:42 GMT -5
Oh man, that should be a sweet one! Did the owner give you any ballistic info on it? I really like the 6.5's as a family; my only handgun in one is a XP in 260Rem. That one should be enough faster to see a difference - especially at distance. Keep us informed. He said that with the 18" barrel that it wears, it has the same ballistic performance as a 6.5x284. It's about 300 fps slower than the 6.5 Leopard would be in a rifle. Definitely not a walk around gun, but that's OK as I'd be using it strictly like a "beanfield" rifle - hunting from a stand only. I called the DNR because I wanted some clarification on it. It's right at 26" long, and wanted to know if the muzzlebrake would be considered part of the barrel - it's threaded on, not pinned. It's a center grip, Striker like stock. It would be wearing a bipod too. Brass is made from necking down .270 WSM brass. |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 15, 2015 20:07:17 GMT -5
Oh man, that should be a sweet one! Did the owner give you any ballistic info on it? I really like the 6.5's as a family; my only handgun in one is a XP in 260Rem. That one should be enough faster to see a difference - especially at distance. Keep us informed. He said that with the 18" barrel that it wears, it has the same ballistic performance as a 6.5x284. It's about 300 fps slower than the 6.5 Leopard would be in a rifle. Definitely not a walk around gun, but that's OK as I'd be using it strictly like a "beanfield" rifle - hunting from a stand only. I called the DNR because I wanted some clarification on it. It's right at 26" long, and wanted to know if the muzzlebrake would be considered part of the barrel - it's threaded on, not pinned. It's a center grip, Striker like stock. It would be wearing a bipod too. Brass is made from necking down .270 WSM brass. Did they consider the muzzle brake in the dimensions? |
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Post by esshup on May 15, 2015 21:01:47 GMT -5
Did they consider the muzzle brake in the dimensions? I called the DNR office in Indianapolis and they couldn't give me an answer. They said I should call the regional office. I did, and they couldn't give me an answer. They forwarded my question to a CO out in the field and I haven't heard back yet. How is a guy in the trenches supposed to know what is legal or not if his higher-ups don't? (referring to the CO out in the field). According to BATF, if it's not permanently affixed to the barrel then it isn't to be considered in the length..... Morrison answered my question about whether an 18" barrel is legal, but he didn't answer the 2nd part of the same question. I re-asked part II of the question and I am waiting to see what he says. |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 15, 2015 21:05:13 GMT -5
You fellas have me wanting one now. You know we all can use at least one more gun.
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Post by dbd870 on May 16, 2015 6:44:21 GMT -5
Says something about these regulations to start with doesn't it.
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Post by dbd870 on May 16, 2015 6:45:56 GMT -5
You fellas have me wanting one now. You know we all can use at least one more gun.  |
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Post by squirrelhunter on May 16, 2015 10:59:21 GMT -5
I've taken quite a few deer with my 14" 35 Rem. Contender,I love that gun. Switch it to the .22lr for squirrel hunting. Decide for a change and switch it to the 45 caliber muzzle loading rifle or if I had 1,a shotgun barrel for rabbit.
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Post by M4Madness on May 16, 2015 17:33:27 GMT -5
 I put this 300 BLK AR-15 PISTOL together about a year and a half ago and installed a silencer. Perfectly legal for deer in Indiana. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 16, 2015 18:21:18 GMT -5
I put this 300 BLK AR-15 PISTOL together about a year and a half ago and installed a silencer. Perfectly legal for deer in Indiana. Zumbo wouldn't like that one for sure..  Yes, Indiana gun laws are a mess. I think that the DNR wanted to legalize centerfires to straighten out the mess and after this it will still be a mess.. I'm guessing a lot of political pressure was brought to bear... Is that basically an AR15 rifle with no stock? |
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Post by firstwd on May 16, 2015 18:32:37 GMT -5
Exactly what my neighbor carried last year.
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Post by M4Madness on May 16, 2015 18:35:25 GMT -5
Is that basically an AR15 rifle with no stock? Yep. Indiana considers a pistol to be a barrel less than 16", so you'd be good to go with even a common 14.5" AR-15 barrel. This particular barrel is 8". Here's the scoop on AR-15 pistols: You can buy them already built or assemble your own. Here's where it gets tricky. If it started life as a rifle, it can NEVER be a pistol. If it started life as a pistol, it can be switched between rifle and pistol configurations at will. So, you cannot simply remove the buttstock from an AR-15, install a short upper, and call it a pistol. Start with a stripped lower and build it as a pistol first. Then you can use it in pistol form for the 2-week firearms season, then put it into rifle configuration the other 50 weeks of the year, |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 16, 2015 19:28:18 GMT -5
I put this 300 BLK AR-15 PISTOL together about a year and a half ago and installed a silencer. Perfectly legal for deer in Indiana. Zumbo wouldn't like that one for sure.. Yes, Indiana gun laws are a mess. I think that the DNR wanted to legalize centerfires to straighten out the mess and after this it will still be a mess.. I'm guessing a lot of political pressure was brought to bear... Is that basically an AR15 rifle with no stock? It absolutely is an AR15 with no stock! I have one just like it with a stock, and can't hunt with it because of the stock ...go figure. |
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