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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 20, 2015 6:36:44 GMT -5
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Post by henson59 on Jan 20, 2015 9:41:29 GMT -5
Havn't found any dead deer yet. They seem to do ok on the corn bean mix.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 20, 2015 10:00:17 GMT -5
I can't afford to feed deer anyway. They'll have to fend for themselves. LOL! I just saw two in the field in front of the house moments ago.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 20, 2015 10:21:59 GMT -5
I can't afford to feed deer anyway. They'll have to fend for themselves. LOL! I just saw two in the field in front of the house moments ago. Hope there not eating whole corn.... They may soon starve there self to death per article... Lol
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 20, 2015 10:51:26 GMT -5
Hmmm, well, I'm already known to be a skeptic on many issues, so I can voice my opinion without fear of damaging my image. We should always look closely at any information before accepting it as being truthful and accurate. That is true even when the author of said info has sold an article to a favorite magazine and has a string of credentials behind his name.
I recall some years ago a popular outdoor author making a believable case for sparing coyotes when they presented us with the opportunity to legally kill them, claiming that they were falsely accused of gobbling newborn fawn populations and lived almost entirely on mice and and carrion.
I have come to put more faith in facts I can see than those dreamed up in some biology student's fertile mind. We humans have been providing food plots, intentionally or not, for a few hundred years. During that time, deer living in fairly close proximity have become accustomed to visiting those fields and gardens and have flourished very well on the diets provided.
I wouldn't be surprised to see results of a controlled study done on big woods deer in a large forested area that would completely support the conclusion in the article. But I think our deer that we here in Indiana are familiar with do quite well with having food plots and supplements available through the hungry months.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 20, 2015 11:11:23 GMT -5
^ THIS. I have over 10 acre's of food plot's on my farm and also run a corn feeder from approx. Dec.1 to April 1st it put's out approx 200 lbs corn a month and in addition provide mineral supp. for all months but hunting season. Yet to find a dead deer and in fact it is not uncommon to see 20-40 deer on a daily basis around the farm. To each his own, I personally enjoy doing it and will continue to do so. Couple neighbor's had me plant corn for them 4 acre field for 1 and 3 acre's for another and both those fields were left standing. I can see both fields from road on my drive home of an evening and I can tell you there are deer in them every night. I am a believer in the "plant it' they will come theory. None of us hunt late antlerless season and I can tell you we have no shortage on antlerless deer or bucks in our area. I get the part that you probably shouldn't just pour out a bag a corn once every couple month's. (I can see that causing a problem.) But deer in my area have access to corn from late summer when ear's start to shoot untill April when I pull the feeder.
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 20, 2015 14:11:10 GMT -5
I read somewhere that deer get 0% nutritional value from corn, even though they are attracted to it.
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Post by esshup on Jan 20, 2015 16:45:25 GMT -5
The article is almost 2 years old....
He's talking about deer in the Northern woods were there is no agriculture around. In that respect he's correct. If a deer suddenly changes it's diet, the bacteria in it's stomach can't process the new food. It takes a while to colonize it's rumen with new bacteria.
BUT, if the deer have been eating some corn or other food all along, the bacteria is there and it'll do just fine.
So, even in the North Woods, where guys are baiting or supplementally feeding the deer from the get go, there's nothing to worry about.
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Post by throbak on Jan 20, 2015 18:28:40 GMT -5
I Think when you concentrate the deer feeding at some point you Could have issues you wouldn't otherwise I just cut down cedar if its icy for awhile And then you great browse their preferred year round feed and bedding at the same time I also believe these attractive food plots are a big reason a lot of people dont see deer
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 20, 2015 18:52:46 GMT -5
Corn is a beneficial food source esp. in cold month's for deer, turkey, rabbit's quail, turkey and a lot more critters. It is a high energy food source, so in extreme cold it is very attractive to wildlife. Just refilled my feeder tonight and put trail camera over looking as well. I planted a 2.5 acre field in corn this past year but it was eaten up by mid December. Plan on adding to the field by a couple more acre's this year and just leave standing untill spring.
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 20, 2015 19:59:56 GMT -5
Corn is a beneficial food source esp. in cold month's for deer, turkey, rabbit's quail, turkey and a lot more critters. It is a high energy food source, so in extreme cold it is very attractive to wildlife. Just refilled my feeder tonight and put trail camera over looking as well. I planted a 2.5 acre field in corn this past year but it was eaten up by mid December. Plan on adding to the field by a couple more acre's this year and just leave standing untill spring. Boonechaser, do you use GMO (i.e., Roundup-Ready) seed corn in your winter food plots? Or, do you use non-GMO seed corn? Have you used both? If so, can you tell if the deer have a preference? How many years have you been putting out these winter food plots of corn? Thanks.
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Post by moose1am on Jan 20, 2015 20:15:01 GMT -5
I learned that deer are what we call an "edge species". They eat the type of plants that grow along the edge of the forest. The more edge we create the better off the white tail deer are. Thus man has chopped down the trees of the forest and created farm fields with lots of edge around the field and wood interface.
Corn is mostly a starch. My parents neighbors have been feeding the deer in the neighborhood for about the last 10 years or so. I use to see deer running though my parents yard all the time as they moved from the woods across the street to the house behind my parents house. But the lady that lived there is in a retirement home now and the house is empty. So the deer are not coming across the road like they used to do. And the other lady who's across the street died and I'm not sure if her daughter ( who moved into her mom's house) feed the deer any more. Besides they feed the deer in their back yard at the edge of the woods across the street and I could not see that area from my parents house.
From time to time the other neighbors see the deer. The lady across the street use to buy corn and keep it in a 55 gallon metal trash can with a lid on it. She would scoop up some corn and take it to the edge of the woods and throw it onto the ground on the other side of a wire fence. The deer could easily jump over the fence and would wait for her to come down with the corn. I fed them on time for her and saw the deer all gathered at the edge of the woods waiting for me to give them the corn. They didn't know me and kept their distance until I started walking back up to the house. We watched them from the porch. This was a nightly routine for her until she got sick.
Corn is starch and starch turns to sugar in the gut. I'm not sure if there is any HCL acid inside the deer's rumen or not. But bacteria should be able to easily digest starch and sugar. After all that's what beer and alcohol is made from. Fermented starch and sugars.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 20, 2015 23:32:26 GMT -5
It's hard to find non GMO grain to feed. I get my seed corn from a dealer that I plant for free. It is GMO seed but I do not spray roundup. (I cultivate) couple times to keep weeds down. I say corn but it is a blend (corn,oats,soybeans) About 70% corn. My feeder is on a timer and it is set to spread approx. 2-3 lbs morning and again in evening. Have read some articles on GMO feed and defintely raise's some eyebrows, but I buy whats available. Havn't really noticed a difference from one to other. Been doing last 5-6 year's.
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Post by ridgerunner on Jan 21, 2015 5:37:11 GMT -5
I just watched 10 deer feeding on waste corn in a picked corn field behind my house last night...Deer in the Midwest eat corn year around..this article does not apply to the midwest.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 21, 2015 8:27:20 GMT -5
I just watched 10 deer feeding on waste corn in a picked corn field behind my house last night...Deer in the Midwest eat corn year around..this article does not apply to the midwest. bingo hoosier deer eat corn year round. ever seen a herd of dead deer around a standing cornfield in january? me neither
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Post by throbak on Jan 21, 2015 9:39:15 GMT -5
Sat in on a workshop last week what a Dr kruppe was saying that GmoSeed is not needed in IƱ.That the worms it is protecting you from are not in In. does more harm killing bees than it helps killing non existing pest
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Post by seindianahunter on Jan 21, 2015 11:32:09 GMT -5
On the GMO seed, there are basically 3 primary types of protection/advantages that a crops here get from being genetically modified. The first is Roundup/Glyphosate resistance. This is useful to combat weeds that are resistant to many other herbicides (some now are resistant to roundup), its cheaper, and glyphosate is much safer than many other herbicides. The second is BT for Corn Borer control. Corn borers can be an issue thru the entire state, but it is hit or miss. The only other control is applying insecticides (which are generally much more dangerous that herbicides). The third is BT rootworm corntrol. Rootworms are generally not an issue from I70 south, but can be a major issue from I70 north. If untreated, fields can be blown flat to the ground with moderate winds in the summer. The other treatments for rootworms is soil and seed applied insecticides. The biggest problem for farmers to not use GMO seed is availability of seed without the traits. Seed companies are releasing the best genetics as RR/BT-CB/BT-RW. For this reason, farmers in the southern part of the state often have to pay for rootworm traits even though they likely don't need it, just to get the best producing genetics. As far as killing bees, there has been little to no proof that bees are killed by GMO crops. There has been proof that they are killed by seed applied insecticides if they drift off of the field in the dust. Sorry for the long post, just thought I would add some background on GMO traits.
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Post by drs on Jan 21, 2015 11:38:48 GMT -5
On the GMO seed, there are basically 3 primary types of protection/advantages that a crops here get from being genetically modified. The first is Roundup/Glyphosate resistance. This is useful to combat weeds that are resistant to many other herbicides (some now are resistant to roundup), its cheaper, and glyphosate is much safer than many other herbicides. The second is BT for Corn Borer control. Corn borers can be an issue thru the entire state, but it is hit or miss. The only other control is applying insecticides (which are generally much more dangerous that herbicides). The third is BT rootworm corntrol. Rootworms are generally not an issue from I70 south, but can be a major issue from I70 north. If untreated, fields can be blown flat to the ground with moderate winds in the summer. The other treatments for rootworms is soil and seed applied insecticides. The biggest problem for farmers to not use GMO seed is availability of seed without the traits. Seed companies are releasing the best genetics as RR/BT-CB/BT-RW. For this reason, farmers in the southern part of the state often have to pay for rootworm traits even though they likely don't need it, just to get the best producing genetics. As far as killing bees, there has been little to no proof that bees are killed by GMO crops. There has been proof that they are killed by seed applied insecticides if they drift off of the field in the dust. Sorry for the long post, just thought I would add some background on GMO traits. I disagree, as I believe these GMO crops ARE contributing to low birth in animals like Deer, and also increasing cancers in Humans. You need to "Google" more on this subject of GMO crops. Here is a weblink for you to read. Be sure to click on "Next" at the bottom of the page. www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers/65-health-risks/1notes
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 21, 2015 13:18:36 GMT -5
Definitely alot of information out there on GMO's. (MUCH BAD) Havn't been around long enough to know the long term effect's I guess but many report's already of possible negative effect's such as incresed cancer risk, low birth rates, birth defect's, autism and the list goes on. Some countries have already banned there use and many countries already require product's to be labeled manufactured with or without GMO grains. Legislation has been proposed here in US, but none passed yet on labeling that I know of???
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Post by thecommissioner on Jan 21, 2015 13:54:50 GMT -5
I'm cursed with a never ending growth of willows around my pond so each winter I'll cut what the herbicide doesn't kill and pile up the cuttings for the deer. Makes for great browse due to small tender tips on the branches. Also starting to hinge cut maples in order to admit more sunlight to the forest floor. It is nice to be able to improve the habitat and feed the deer at the same time.
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