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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 3, 2015 21:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2015 21:33:54 GMT -5
In most states, an antlerless deer is defined as one without visible, hardened antler above the hairline during the hunting season. A few states like Indiana classify spike bucks with less than a certain length of antlers as “antlerless.”
Antlerless deer are defined by some as female deer of all ages and male deer less than one year old.... commonly referred to by some as button bucks, buck fawns, or nubbin bucks
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Post by arlowe13 on Jan 3, 2015 21:35:05 GMT -5
The data I used only broke down the county harvest numbers by antlered and antlerless.
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Post by jjas on Jan 3, 2015 21:48:22 GMT -5
The data I used only broke down the county harvest numbers by antlered and antlerless. As most states do. But even if you look @ Indiana's harvest data since 2006 and add buttons into the buck harvest you will see that Hoosier hunters are killing one buck for one doe.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2015 22:09:20 GMT -5
The data I used only broke down the county harvest numbers by antlered and antlerless. As most states do. But even if you look @ Indiana's harvest data since 2006 and add buttons into the buck harvest you will see that Hoosier hunters are killing one buck for one doe. You can also go to QDMA 2014 Whitetail Report and read how Indiana ranks in Antlerless harvests (pages 12-15) www.qdma.com/uploads/pdf/2014_WR.pdf
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 3, 2015 22:20:44 GMT -5
The data I used only broke down the county harvest numbers by antlered and antlerless. As most states do. But even if you look @ Indiana's harvest data since 2006 and add buttons into the buck harvest you will see that Hoosier hunters are killing one buck for one doe. Actually that stopped being true in 2009 then again 2011,2012, in 2013 total doe harvest surpassed total buck harvest including the button harvest in the buck harvest .That number will likely continue to widen over the next few years as well.
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Post by esshup on Jan 3, 2015 22:26:09 GMT -5
Some "antlerless" deer could also be bucks that dropped their antlers....
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 3, 2015 22:48:02 GMT -5
Some "antlerless" deer could also be bucks that dropped their antlers.... they are counted as antlerless but in stats as other or with button buck harvest as they are still male.
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Post by jjas on Jan 3, 2015 22:48:20 GMT -5
As most states do. But even if you look @ Indiana's harvest data since 2006 and add buttons into the buck harvest you will see that Hoosier hunters are killing one buck for one doe. Actually that stopped being true in 2009 then again 2011,2012, in 2013 total doe harvest surpassed total buck harvest including the button harvest .That number will likely continue to widen over the next few years as well. You are talking about a difference of a couple of percentage points during the time frame I sighted. And as you pointed out, that increase was on the doe side of the equation and most deer managers would welcome that. As far as more bucks than does being killed over the next few years....with herd reduction in place, I agree that would be expected.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2015 22:56:42 GMT -5
Actually that stopped being true in 2009 then again 2011,2012, in 2013 total doe harvest surpassed total buck harvest including the button harvest .That number will likely continue to widen over the next few years as well. You are talking about a difference of a couple of percentage points during the time frame I sighted. And as you pointed out, that increase was on the doe side of the equation and most deer managers would welcome that. EXACTLY....
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 3, 2015 22:57:39 GMT -5
Actually that stopped being true in 2009 then again 2011,2012, in 2013 total doe harvest surpassed total buck harvest including the button harvest .That number will likely continue to widen over the next few years as well. You are talking about a difference of a couple of percentage points during the time frame I sighted. And as you pointed out, that increase was on the doe side of the equation and most deer managers would welcome that. true but not when the buck harvest is in a constant fall over the last what 4 years as the do harvest raised that is a sign that the herd is in decline and as such so then too is the at that point the buck population is in decline as well.Thats the point at which we are now at we have less fawns and there by less bucks of every age class since the reduction over the last 6-8 years has worked so well less doe manes less bucks are born its simple math at this point and the buck harvest decline was bound to happen as the doe harvest especially the mature doe harvest raised .that is the bad side to it.That means less mature bucks to kill and just less bucks year after year . Its like a coin there are ups and downs the down side is far less bucks to kill.We did not start out pre heavy reduction with nearly as many deer state wide as many think.Then add to it consecutive year over year major EHD event in many counties that took between according to QDMA 6% to 10 % here the effects will last for some time to come now in many areas Many real deer managers would say when the buck harvest falls of this much its been way over done as well.this years harvest will be interesting I think.
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Post by jjas on Jan 3, 2015 23:09:47 GMT -5
You are talking about a difference of a couple of percentage points during the time frame I sighted. And as you pointed out, that increase was on the doe side of the equation and most deer managers would welcome that. true but not when the buck harvest is in a constant fall over the last what 4 years as the do harvest raised that is a sign that the herd is in decline and as such so then too is the at that point the buck population is in decline as well.Thats the point at which we are now at we have less fawns and there by less bucks of every age class since the reduction over the last 6-8 years has worked so well less doe manes less bucks are born its simple math at this point and the buck harvest decline was bound to happen as the doe harvest especially the mature doe harvest raised .that is the bad side to it.That means less mature bucks to kill and just less bucks year after year . Its like a coin there are ups and downs the down side is far less bucks to kill.We did not start out pre heavy reduction with nearly as many deer state wide as many think.Then add to it consecutive year over year major EHD event in many counties that took between according to QDMA 6% to 10 % here the effects will last for some time to come now in many areas Many real deer managers would say when the buck harvest falls of this much its been way over done as well.this years harvest will be interesting I think. I know what you are saying, but in the "real world" 1 to 1 is about as good as it gets.......especially during herd reduction.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 3, 2015 23:16:26 GMT -5
Adults Buck (males) Harvest last 6 years
2008.50,845 2009..52,878 2010...53,007 2011....50,717 2012.....45,936# 2013......46,240#
Fawns (males) Harvest last 6 years
2008.13,083 2009..13,040 2010...13,367 2011....13,058 2012.....15,911 2013......14,100
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Post by onebentarrow on Jan 4, 2015 8:14:29 GMT -5
true but not when the buck harvest is in a constant fall over the last what 4 years as the do harvest raised that is a sign that the herd is in decline and as such so then too is the at that point the buck population is in decline as well.Thats the point at which we are now at we have less fawns and there by less bucks of every age class since the reduction over the last 6-8 years has worked so well less doe manes less bucks are born its simple math at this point and the buck harvest decline was bound to happen as the doe harvest especially the mature doe harvest raised .that is the bad side to it.That means less mature bucks to kill and just less bucks year after year . Its like a coin there are ups and downs the down side is far less bucks to kill.We did not start out pre heavy reduction with nearly as many deer state wide as many think.Then add to it consecutive year over year major EHD event in many counties that took between according to QDMA 6% to 10 % here the effects will last for some time to come now in many areas Many real deer managers would say when the buck harvest falls of this much its been way over done as well.this years harvest will be interesting I think. I know what you are saying, but in the "real world" 1 to 1 is about as good as it gets.......especially during herd reduction. Well... I guess you are gona have to hunt harder to get your deer like we did 30 years ago
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Post by jjas on Jan 4, 2015 9:49:28 GMT -5
I know what you are saying, but in the "real world" 1 to 1 is about as good as it gets.......especially during herd reduction. Well... I guess you are gona have to hunt harder to get your deer like we did 30 years ago I assume you are addressing me? If so, my answer would be "who knows" or "time will tell" but in the past, other than a couple of years with EHD and a trigger happy Amish family, the herd numbers have been good.....
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 4, 2015 10:18:13 GMT -5
A question was asked about shed bucks and button bucks in the antlerless figures .Well they break those numbers down in pie graphs in the harvest summary .Here is an interesting thing the late antlerless is in both 2012 and 2013 responsible for the extra buttons /bucks over over the 13,500 mark a mark that has been in that normal range for a long time .
2012 late antlerless season harvest 8313 doe 249 bucks 1529 buttons 2013 late antlerless season harvest 5244 doe 168 bucks 1024 buttons
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Post by bladerunner on Jan 5, 2015 21:20:01 GMT -5
Surprised to see Harrison took top honors for highest county harvest
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Post by arlowe13 on Apr 28, 2015 16:26:11 GMT -5
Updated with 2014 harvest
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 28, 2015 16:29:48 GMT -5
Updated with 2014 harvest Thank you sir.., Quick work!!!
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Post by squirrelhunter on Apr 29, 2015 13:36:05 GMT -5
Our totals have been going down since 2,010.... Twice as many antlerless an antlered.
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