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Post by maddog on Dec 19, 2014 11:29:55 GMT -5
If it passes, I'll use my Marlin 1895 guide gun, 45-70. If it doesn't, I'll use my CVA scout, 44 mag, that I've been using for the last few years.
maddog
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Post by oldhoyt on Dec 19, 2014 11:55:44 GMT -5
I have a 45/70 I'd love to use again, but I was not interested in cutting the cases to 1.800". I also have an older 30/30 in the family and I'd like to take a deer with it before my eyes won't allow it. I have a 30/06 that I like a lot, but I favor my 358 Hoosier over it. The Hoosier is a better fit for me and it's somewhat unique. If the new proposal doesn't pass, I'll just stick with the Hoosier for my rifle.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2014 12:03:17 GMT -5
I will slightly disagree that there is zero difference between now and if passes. *LET ME STRESS I'M FINE WITH IT PASSING AND IT WILL IN MY MIND THERE IS NO CHANCE IT DOESN'T.....
...however there will be differences. Some calibers which will be very assessible and affordable to any "Joe Hunter" will hold lethal distance potential much greater than even the modern ML and scoped rifled slug guns (I'm leaving out wildcats because "Joe Hunter" don't use them now). Yes a modern ML has a very far range and I know some that with certain loads and shooting sticks claim a 500 yard shot very possible....take a cheap single shot .308 sold to "Joe Hunter" for under $200 or right around and that dude now has a firearm with the same capabilities and then some, he may very well have hit the field with a shotgun or pistol rifle in the past knowing full well he didn't want to shoot over 100 yards or so....now though he'll know or be told that rifle is a 500 yard chipper and bam he's going to fling shots farther than he should.
ALL THAT said though I will admit ^^idiots or naive people exist and already do and are hunting. Do I feel there will be an increase in this type of issue...sure, but I don't feel it will be a HUGE increase....especially if we as hunters police ourselves and educate fellow hunters. Education is key!
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Post by 36fan on Dec 19, 2014 12:30:31 GMT -5
...limiting AR-Mags to like the 5 or 10 rounders and such). I use 10-round mags in my AR while hunting, as I hate lugging around more ammo weight. I'd use 5-round PMAG's if they made them. Just because the magazine holds 20 or 30 rnds doesn't mean you have to fill it up. I took my AR hog hunting a couple of years ago, and only put 5 rnds in the 20 rnd magazine. I didn't see the need to put the entire box in the magazine and haul it around. The .357 rifle I use now in Indiana holds 10 rnds (9+1), but I only load 6 ... that is when I don't take out the ML.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 19, 2014 12:42:06 GMT -5
Another reason I prefer the shorter mags is prone shooting. One time while walking out of the woods, I came upon deer in a pasture and had to go prone quickly. I was using a .458 SOCOM, and a standard 30-round .223 mag holds ten .458 rounds. Anyway, the mag was too long for a prone shot, and by the time I removed it, the window of opportunity had passed.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Dec 19, 2014 12:46:53 GMT -5
Another reason I prefer the shorter mags is prone shooting. One time while walking out of the woods, I came upon deer in a pasture and had to go prone quickly. I was using a .458 SOCOM, and a standard 30-round .223 mag holds ten .458 rounds. Anyway, the mag was too long for a prone shot, and by the time I removed it, the window of opportunity had passed. I use 5 round mags in my .450, never been a problem at all. Most mag swaps I've ever had to do during a deer hunt was 4 or 5
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 19, 2014 13:00:18 GMT -5
I will still use my bow either way. LOL
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 19, 2014 13:26:42 GMT -5
I will still use my bow either way. LOL Yup....haven't held a gun yet this year.....I may do a ML hunt in late antlerless but we'll see.
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Post by throbak on Dec 19, 2014 13:32:12 GMT -5
IDontWant Every Amish in my county to be able to legally HAVE HPR,s and kill deer for TWO months You guys that have never been around or lived next to Amish Don't have a clue I share a property line this is not hear say hunting in Switzerland and my part of Jefferson co. Will never be the same and I will not be convinced otherwise
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 19, 2014 13:47:10 GMT -5
If they are hunting legally, nothing you can do but pray for lower antlerless quotas. If they are poaching, turn them in.
I used to hunt property in Orange County bordered by the Amish and never had ant problems with them. My archery dealer is full-blown horse and buggy Amish. Great guy.
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Post by swilk on Dec 19, 2014 13:54:52 GMT -5
Lumping all Amish into the same mold is no better than lumping all gun hunters into the same mold or all trophy hunters into the same mold.
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Post by bart1533 on Dec 19, 2014 14:31:58 GMT -5
I'm going to use what I got now..doesn't matter to me..just sick of hearing about it..
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Post by throbak on Dec 19, 2014 14:39:03 GMT -5
Said My county I am not lumping them together I am talking abouabout the ones I am familiar with and Live With Makes a difference There are different sects of Amish I am not sure you guys are aware of that The nice one move away from here not to here
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Post by firstwd on Dec 19, 2014 17:05:07 GMT -5
IDontWant Every Amish in my county to be able to legally HAVE HPR,s and kill deer for TWO months You guys that have never been around or lived next to Amish Don't have a clue I share a property line this is not hear say hunting in Switzerland and my part of Jefferson co. Will never be the same and I will not be convinced otherwise If they're going to use HRP's for 2 months to kill deer then they will be poaching. It will be a little over 3 weeks in that county if the late antlerless season stays in effect. Plus, total legal tags will remain the same as now or drop as needed. What kills a deer has no bearing if a deer dies, it's still dead.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 19, 2014 17:11:26 GMT -5
Personally, if this doesn't pass, I will send the same petition in that I did while trying to get them legalized. Either go all in or nothing at all. In other words, allow HPR's in long guns, or make long gun and handgun ammunition meet the "straight walled" requirements.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 19, 2014 17:21:35 GMT -5
Personally, if this doesn't pass, I will send the same petition in that I did while trying to get them legalized. Either go all in or nothing at all. In other words, allow HPR's in long guns, or make long gun and handgun ammunition meet the "straight walled" requirements. ^^^^ THIS This is exactly what I told them during the GotInput.. Whole hog or straight walled..
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Post by bartiks on Dec 19, 2014 20:19:15 GMT -5
I will slightly disagree that there is zero difference between now and if passes. *LET ME STRESS I'M FINE WITH IT PASSING AND IT WILL IN MY MIND THERE IS NO CHANCE IT DOESN'T..... ...however there will be differences. Some calibers which will be very assessible and affordable to any "Joe Hunter" will hold lethal distance potential much greater than even the modern ML and scoped rifled slug guns (I'm leaving out wildcats because "Joe Hunter" don't use them now). Yes a modern ML has a very far range and I know some that with certain loads and shooting sticks claim a 500 yard shot very possible....take a cheap single shot .308 sold to "Joe Hunter" for under $200 or right around and that dude now has a firearm with the same capabilities and then some, he may very well have hit the field with a shotgun or pistol rifle in the past knowing full well he didn't want to shoot over 100 yards or so....now though he'll know or be told that rifle is a 500 yard chipper and bam he's going to fling shots farther than he should. ALL THAT said though I will admit ^^idiots or naive people exist and already do and are hunting. Do I feel there will be an increase in this type of issue...sure, but I don't feel it will be a HUGE increase....especially if we as hunters police ourselves and educate fellow hunters. Education is key! Exaclty what he said, allowing some "Joe Hunter" to drop a couple hundred bucks on a gun and all of a sudden they think they are "Hathcock" out in the woods. See a deer across the field when "Buck Fever" hits you and there goes a round off into the wild blue yonder and strikes a house 1/2 mile away. Personally scares the he(double hockey sticks) out of me. However that is just me, be it as it may.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 19, 2014 20:59:33 GMT -5
I will slightly disagree that there is zero difference between now and if passes. *LET ME STRESS I'M FINE WITH IT PASSING AND IT WILL IN MY MIND THERE IS NO CHANCE IT DOESN'T..... ...however there will be differences. Some calibers which will be very assessible and affordable to any "Joe Hunter" will hold lethal distance potential much greater than even the modern ML and scoped rifled slug guns (I'm leaving out wildcats because "Joe Hunter" don't use them now). Yes a modern ML has a very far range and I know some that with certain loads and shooting sticks claim a 500 yard shot very possible....take a cheap single shot .308 sold to "Joe Hunter" for under $200 or right around and that dude now has a firearm with the same capabilities and then some, he may very well have hit the field with a shotgun or pistol rifle in the past knowing full well he didn't want to shoot over 100 yards or so....now though he'll know or be told that rifle is a 500 yard chipper and bam he's going to fling shots farther than he should. ALL THAT said though I will admit ^^idiots or naive people exist and already do and are hunting. Do I feel there will be an increase in this type of issue...sure, but I don't feel it will be a HUGE increase....especially if we as hunters police ourselves and educate fellow hunters. Education is key! Exaclty what he said, allowing some "Joe Hunter" to drop a couple hundred bucks on a gun and all of a sudden they think they are "Hathcock" out in the woods. See a deer across the field when "Buck Fever" hits you and there goes a round off into the wild blue yonder and strikes a house 1/2 mile away. Personally scares the he(double hockey sticks) out of me. However that is just me, be it as it may. And yet you are not scared now even though varmint hunters, target shooters, and deer poachers are doing it every day.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 19, 2014 21:16:42 GMT -5
Exaclty what he said, allowing some "Joe Hunter" to drop a couple hundred bucks on a gun and all of a sudden they think they are "Hathcock" out in the woods. See a deer across the field when "Buck Fever" hits you and there goes a round off into the wild blue yonder and strikes a house 1/2 mile away. Personally scares the he(double hockey sticks) out of me. However that is just me, be it as it may. And yet you are not scared now even though varmint hunters, target shooters, and deer poachers are doing it every day. I truly doubt this happens in everyone personal hunting environment.......
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Post by arsnider1 on Dec 19, 2014 21:19:26 GMT -5
To build on the Amish conversation, one of the farms I hunt is surrounded by Amish. One of the the Amish farmers that owns the land to the west is a good guy and very dedicated to conservation. 1 doe and 1 buck a year and he is picky about the bucks he shoots. However, to the east during gun it is a free for all. Three years ago while driving out I saw two Amish boys had to be 10 years old or younger start firing at a bush in the floodplain with no parent in sight. They must have been trespassing because when they realized what they had done they took off running back to the farm they came from. I reported it but never heard anything back. I would be all for rifles if it wasnt for that incident. They at least had the orange covering over their straw hats.
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