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Post by greghopper on Dec 16, 2014 17:42:26 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 16, 2014 18:13:31 GMT -5
Now THAT is a REAL "journalist"!
No hyperbole, no gross exaggerations, no agendas - just HONEST journalism...
Good article ....
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Post by greghopper on Dec 16, 2014 19:14:30 GMT -5
Yep....Ryan Sabalow is a GREAT "journalist" there are never factual inaccuracies or instances of playing loose with the truth with his articles
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Post by swilk on Dec 16, 2014 19:23:44 GMT -5
He still used the word "pistol" when describing our currently legal rifles.
Other than that and a few other little nits to pick at it was better than Dons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 19:35:00 GMT -5
What does PCR stand for? Maybe Ive been saying it wrong too.
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Post by swilk on Dec 16, 2014 19:36:14 GMT -5
Is PCR in the regulations?
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Post by schall53 on Dec 16, 2014 19:36:39 GMT -5
Pistol Cartridge Rifle
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Post by swilk on Dec 16, 2014 19:39:06 GMT -5
Having a minimum diameter, minimum case length and maximum case length regulation has nothing to do with pistols or straight walls.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 19:41:06 GMT -5
Is PCR in the regulations? Maybe not. I guess I just assumed. I know I buy ammo made for pistols to fire from my daughter's rifle. I am no ballistics expert. Is there a real difference or is it semantics?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 19:42:49 GMT -5
So, some ammo used in Indiana deer rifles is pistol ammo, but not all...is that it?
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 16, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
The term "Pistol Cartridge Rifle" (PCR) was used at the beginning. Somehow, and no one will admit how, "straight walled" was dropped from the original proposal and diameter and length was substituted.
Pistol Cartridge Rifles have been around since metallic cartridges were invented. Cowboys wanted their rifles to shoot the same ammo as their pistols.
I'll cut Ryan some slack on that one...
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 16, 2014 19:48:20 GMT -5
So, some ammo used in Indiana deer rifles is pistol ammo, but not all...is that it? Yep, things like the .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf, .358 WSSM, .358 Hoosier, etc. were designed from the beginning for rifles.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 16, 2014 19:49:49 GMT -5
So, some ammo used in Indiana deer rifles is pistol ammo, but not all...is that it? True... Length and diameter opened it up to wildcat loads and that has opened it up to all centerfires. Probably what the DNR had in mind all along..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 19:53:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the lesson. I have never fooled much with rifles so all these calibers and cartridge terminology is still "Greek" to me.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 16, 2014 19:54:20 GMT -5
True... Length and diameter opened it up to wildcat loads and that has opened it up to all centerfires. Probably what the DNR had in mind all along.. You know it! They even stated from the beginning that wildcats that fit the criteria would be allowed. From page 144 of that hearing's pdf: Anyone know how to find that old 2007 pdf online from the following info?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 16, 2014 19:56:33 GMT -5
So NOW all this is a DNR idea? ?
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Post by firstwd on Dec 16, 2014 20:21:56 GMT -5
So NOW all this is a DNR idea? ? Yes, and no. A few individuals turned the pedals so the DNR on the back of the double bike could get down the road. The case limitations replacing the straight wall language allowed the use of high powered rifles in an limited capacity which allowed the DRN to gather evidence of there safety and efficiency without the general public throwing a fit.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 16, 2014 20:29:33 GMT -5
So NOW all this is a DNR idea? ? Yes, and no. A few individuals turned the pedals so the DNR on the back of the double bike could get down the road. The case limitations replacing the straight wall language allowed the use of high powered rifles in an limited capacity which allowed the DRN to gather evidence of there safety and efficiency without the general public throwing a fit. So your saying the "VERDICT" is out on the SAFETY and the use of HPR in INDIANA for DEER hunting??....
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 16, 2014 20:44:49 GMT -5
Well, I can say unequivocally that the DNR stated right in the preface to the HPR proposal that they believe them to be safe, and I'm sure everyone here would agree that it is in print for all to see.
I was told five years ago that the DNR was testing the waters with the PCR's, and would then allow even more calibers later, and within five years' time would propose .243 or larger for deer. Looks like they are right on schedule for that 5-year prediction to me.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 16, 2014 20:46:02 GMT -5
I'm saying they have been in the woods as legal long guns for 6 years or so and as handguns for over 20 that I can remember. I think there is enough real world proof to satisfactory debunk anyone claiming safety as the reason to not allow them.
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