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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 13:53:56 GMT -5
Yes ... I know I am against the proposed regulation changes.
Yes .... I know the rule is very likely to pass.
No ... I will not boycott the new weapons just because I did not want their passage. My position against has nothing to do with safety or any of the other made up reasons that folks use. It was a simple case of "what already is is good enough for me" which is usually the case for me.
Now ... having said that ... talk me out of a 7mm-08.
Im not vastly experienced in rifles like some of our members are ... have lived and hunted Indiana my whole life and never really had the need to buy a bunch of different calibers to play around with.
I thought 308 ... then 25-06 ... then 280 ... and think I have finally settled on the 7mm-08.
Good bullet selection ... I will reload for it.
Looks to be an accurate round ... short action .. available in most guns.
Looking at a remington mountain ss ....
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 5, 2014 14:12:33 GMT -5
Well you sure have made it difficult to talk you out of that purchase with that list of reasons.  I have a bucket list of sorts for rifle calibers and the 7mm-08 is firmly in that list. So many calibers and so little coin to play with... |
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 14:15:44 GMT -5
lol ... there is no such thing as the "best" for anything but I am having a hard reason finding something the 7-08 wont do for me.
Another one I didnt list .... recoil. Im not recoil sensitive, at all, but nobody likes having the snot kicked out of them. The 7-08 is more in line with a 243 than the 7mm Magnum.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 5, 2014 14:43:46 GMT -5
Agreed, the 7mm-08 will flat get it done on deer sized game. I am not ashamed to admit that heavy recoil is no good for my shooting success.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 14:48:06 GMT -5
Heavy recoil from a bench would be a great way to develop a flinch and ruin whatever accuracy a hunter was capable in the first place.
My Savage smokeless guns are a true test to shoot off of a bench. Pushing a 300gr bullet at 2500fps in a medium wight rifle equals some vicious recoil.
Not pleasant. At all.
I would like to actually develop and document how a load acts out to 500 yards or so from the 7-08 ... that would require a couple hundred rounds I would think so the light recoil will be nice.
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Post by parson on Dec 5, 2014 15:21:07 GMT -5
I have a 4" square of industrial felt that I have glued up to about 1/2" thickness. I use this as a pad between the stock and my shoulder when shooting from a bench. It does an amazing job of spreading out the recoil. I can put a bunch of rounds from any of my rifles downrange without feeling tortured.
Some people refer to such as a "sissy bag", but at 66 I can live with that.
As for the 7-08, it does look like a very interesting round.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 5, 2014 15:21:29 GMT -5
I'm guessing my smokeless setup pushing a 250 grain bullet at 2700 fps is a similar recoil experience to yours and for me it is at the top of what I want to shoot frequently.
If not for the Sims recoil pad I don't know if I would have shot it much.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 15:24:28 GMT -5
My savages, a plastic stock and a laminate stock, each wear the factory recoil pad.
Parson, I use a lead sled now. I used to use a sand filled shoulder bag.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 5, 2014 15:26:25 GMT -5
Sorry can't help you. I think it is a fine round & if I didn't have that Model 7 in 260 I'd have one. The 260 would be a great choice as well, but it is a round it really helps to be a reloader for.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 5, 2014 16:49:57 GMT -5
One note on the lead sled and YMMV...I have one and do use it but I have determined that I get a different POI going from the sled to just my shoulder.
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Post by drs on Dec 6, 2014 5:42:02 GMT -5
Yes ... I know I am against the proposed regulation changes. Yes .... I know the rule is very likely to pass. No ... I will not boycott the new weapons just because I did not want their passage. My position against has nothing to do with safety or any of the other made up reasons that folks use. It was a simple case of "what already is is good enough for me" which is usually the case for me. Now ... having said that ... talk me out of a 7mm-08. Im not vastly experienced in rifles like some of our members are ... have lived and hunted Indiana my whole life and never really had the need to buy a bunch of different calibers to play around with. I thought 308 ... then 25-06 ... then 280 ... and think I have finally settled on the 7mm-08. Good bullet selection ... I will reload for it. Looks to be an accurate round ... short action .. available in most guns. Looking at a remington mountain ss .... Swilk, if you want to purchase a 7mm-08, go ahead and buy one. When I lived in Indiana, I had a number of of rifles in various calibers like a Model 70 in .270 Winchester, and numerous other caliber I really couldn't use in Indiana. Bought a Pre '64 Featherweight (Unfired) Model 70 in .308 in its factory box too. Along with the H.P. Deer rifles, I also bought Pre'64 Model 70s in .22 Hornet (Standard & Super Grade) both unfired, from Bedland's of Sidney, NE. A couple of .243 (Parker Hale, & Winchester M-70) & a old Sako Model L-46 in .222., as well as a Model 43 Winchester Deluxe in .218 Bee, .25-20 Win, & one in .32-20 Win. (standard). Might add, if you do buy a 7mm-08 you might look at the CZ line of rifles, as lately Remington has had some issues with their rifles. |
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Post by drs on Dec 6, 2014 5:51:24 GMT -5
Agreed, the 7mm-08 will flat get it done on deer sized game. I am not ashamed to admit that heavy recoil is no good for my shooting success. I have a .458 X 2" AMERICAN built on an old Remington Model 722 Action, which has a fairly stiff recoil especially when using 400 grain bullets. My rifle has no recoil pad, but I am not shy of recoil either. Back in the Early 1980's, on a Black Bear Hunt with my Cousin, who lived in Bellingham, Washington; I had the pleasure to shooting (twice) a .460 Weatherby Mag. & a .378 Weatherby Mag both in one afternoon. The guy who owned them was a Weatherby Collector and asked me if I would like to shoot two of his "cannons" ~ LOL. I said why not, so I fired the .460 twice & the .378 Weatherby only once. The .460 wasn't all that bad but the .378 seemed to have more recoil. It was an interesting experience though. |
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 6, 2014 7:44:00 GMT -5
Much of it is what you get used to with recoil, however I too find the rounds with shorter sharper recoil impulses to be not so much fun. I enjoy my 375H&H and 416Rigby, whereas I don't care for thee 338WinMag. It may have come down to the individual rifles, (2 of each caliber) but one thing I find a little odd is I have much preferred shooting the 300WinMags to the 7mmMags. (all sporters) 1 of each was a Ruger as well; although the 7Mag was an old one and the 300WM was a stainless laminated Hawkeye - that one shot so well for me I have considered picking one up for myself. (and when it comes to bolt guns that is not a brand I look at first)
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Post by drs on Dec 6, 2014 8:51:54 GMT -5
Much of it is what you get used to with recoil, however I too find the rounds with shorter sharper recoil impulses to be not so much fun. I enjoy my 375H&H and 416Rigby, whereas I don't care for thee 338WinMag. It may have come down to the individual rifles, (2 of each caliber) but one thing I find a little odd is I have much preferred shooting the 300WinMags to the 7mmMags. (all sporters) 1 of each was a Ruger as well; although the 7Mag was an old one and the 300WM was a stainless laminated Hawkeye - that one shot so well for me I have considered picking one up for myself. (and when it comes to bolt guns that is not a brand I look at first) Both of the Weatherby rifles I fired, were equipped with open express sights & barrels were ported. |
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 6, 2014 10:25:20 GMT -5
Porting will help with muzzle climb and if it is also designed to it can help with felt recoil (but not necessarily). Sometimes what porting will do is change the climb into an increased rear push. I suspect I would prefer shooting the 460 to the 378 as well.
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Post by esshup on Dec 6, 2014 10:31:41 GMT -5
swik: What expected distances will you be shooting the deer at with the 7-08?
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Post by drs on Dec 6, 2014 10:32:56 GMT -5
Porting will help with muzzle climb and if it is also designed to it can help with felt recoil (but not necessarily). Sometimes what porting will do is change the climb into an increased rear push. I suspect I would prefer shooting the 460 to the 378 as well. I was standing when I fired these two. Don't believe I'd shoot them from the bench,  |
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Post by deadeer on Dec 7, 2014 5:57:47 GMT -5
My group has no experience using HP Rifles on deer, however we use Encore pistols in HPR calibers, and 7-08 is one. It is very efficient and easy to load for. I load 120gr Nosler BT over max book load of H-Varget and very seldom does a deer ever walk away from being hit with a boiler room shot. Lots of power and shock from those little bullets. Also very accurate, with moa groups to 300yd typically with practice. No experience past that range but in an accurate rifle you will likely get closer to that 500yd mark. It will be lobbing it in there with a short action cartridge (7-08) at that range, but that's easily helped with a ballistic plex scope or one you can dial. A 7 mag would shorten the drop up a little, but also beat you to death. Neither is a bad choice, just apples and oranges comparison. I also shoot smokeless mz's and they are my HPR, minus a quick follow up shot. So I am already set up for long range shooting without going to a HPR. It will not benefit me for hunting, only in buying another gun and getting to work up a load and basically spend more money! Not a bad thing just more irons in the fire I guess.
Jay
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2014 7:42:10 GMT -5
Majority of my shots won't chang..... under 100 yards. Would cap my max range on deer sized game at 400 assuming I put in the workand feel cconfident.
The round looks relatively flat to 300.
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Post by sakorifle on Dec 7, 2014 17:12:39 GMT -5
geetings
The one big thing the 308 has over them all is the no matter were you go in the country or the world you will get 308 ammo,or loading components, every full bore caliber out there will do the job with the right bullet choice.
After seeing my friend who is a heck of a shot use a 25/06 i have to say i am impressed, but it will go through barrels quicker than my 308.
no experience of the 7 08 over ,but yes if its what you fancy swilk it is what you are going to shoot best with, a happy shooter is a good shooter, lol
regards
billy
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