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Post by alduflux on Dec 5, 2014 18:35:11 GMT -5
My advice is don't try and score a non-typical deer as a typical. That is why they have two different scoring systems.
In the typical scoring system a deer is and should be punished for how out of typical the rack is. The more non-typical a rack is the less typical it is. That is why the abnormal points are deducted.
Don't try putting a square peg in a round hole.
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Post by alduflux on Dec 5, 2014 18:50:34 GMT -5
Buckmasters would have the perfect system if they would use the inside spread. BTR attempts to give credit for total antler growth. Measuring length only and just four circumferences is a incomplete way of doing that. For instance, If two deer have the exact same lengths of tine (and the circumference measurements are the same), but the one has tines that are fat the whole length while the other deer has tines that are light and thin as they go up, in BTR they get the same credit because the tines are the same length. A better way is to measure volume displacement by submerging the antlers in water and measuring how much volume is displaced. This way the deer gets credit for all growth.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 19:55:13 GMT -5
Have heard reference to water displacement before but there aren't any systems that currently use that method are there?
It would definitely be the most exact way.....
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 5, 2014 20:00:48 GMT -5
I've seen people mention it before myself, but no one uses that method currently. The hard part would be having calibrated tanks for every scorer, as well as having the exact amount of liquid in each. Then you have the whole confusion as to submerging them exactly the same, as far as pedicles and burrs go. On paper, it certainly looks to be the most ideal method.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2014 20:13:15 GMT -5
On paper....like you said it would be interesting to try and duplicate it in widespread use. Much more so than carrying around my tape and a pencil/paper.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Dec 5, 2014 20:36:28 GMT -5
I've seen people mention it before myself, but no one uses that method currently. The hard part would be having calibrated tanks for every scorer, as well as having the exact amount of liquid in each. Then you have the whole confusion as to submerging them exactly the same, as far as pedicles and burrs go. On paper, it certainly looks to be the most ideal method. ^^This^^ It would be too hard to have a universal container to fit every rack!!
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Post by alduflux on Dec 5, 2014 21:18:16 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if in the near future antlers are measured with some type of 3-D imaging scanner.
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Post by deerhunter23 on Dec 5, 2014 22:06:26 GMT -5
alduflux, i was thinking the samething. Like almost everything else, isn't doing it by hand the hard way to do things anymore?! Im very suprised someone hasnt came up with something to let computers do it for us.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 9, 2014 8:19:07 GMT -5
Buckmasters would have the perfect system if they would use the inside spread. Disagree...and I love buckmasters because they don't. Think about it, if you're gonna give credit to just purely the calcium deposits (and other stuff) on the tops of a deer's head don't add some "non-antler" measurements. True bone to bone is what I see as the purest form of measuring. Granted no-one rarely ever states a score without the spread, but I have a couple of my bucks in Buckmasters and when guys see the plaques by the mounts they do raise a discussion every time!
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 10, 2014 19:41:19 GMT -5
Buckmasters would have the perfect system if they would use the inside spread. Disagree...and I love buckmasters because they don't. Think about it, if you're gonna give credit to just purely the calcium deposits (and other stuff) on the tops of a deer's head don't add some "non-antler" measurements. True bone to bone is what I see as the purest form of measuring. Granted no-one rarely ever states a score without the spread, but I have a couple of my bucks in Buckmasters and when guys see the plaques by the mounts they do raise a discussion every time! I've got one in there. But you have to admit, 160" of antler with a 25" inside spread is more impressive than a 160" deer with a 10" inside spread.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2014 21:19:49 GMT -5
Disagree...and I love buckmasters because they don't. Think about it, if you're gonna give credit to just purely the calcium deposits (and other stuff) on the tops of a deer's head don't add some "non-antler" measurements. True bone to bone is what I see as the purest form of measuring. Granted no-one rarely ever states a score without the spread, but I have a couple of my bucks in Buckmasters and when guys see the plaques by the mounts they do raise a discussion every time! I've got one in there. But you have to admit, 160" of antler with a 25" inside spread is more impressive than a 160" deer with a 10" inside spread. That would depend on if you were counting spread in that 160 number. ;-)
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Post by alduflux on Dec 10, 2014 22:31:21 GMT -5
I've got one in there. But you have to admit, 160" of antler with a 25" inside spread is more impressive than a 160" deer with a 10" inside spread. Do you agree that the shape the antlers grow (spread) contributes to how impressive the deer looks, and believe a scoring system should reward a deer for the shape of the antlers and not just how much total antler they have?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 11, 2014 5:55:53 GMT -5
Do you agree that the shape the antlers grow (spread) contributes to how impressive the deer looks, and believe a scoring system should reward a deer for the shape of the antlers and not just how much total antler they have? Tough question. Lol! I do find the wider spread more impressive, and feel that excluding it confuses hunters and makes them think the rack is smaller than it is.
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Post by deerhunter23 on Dec 11, 2014 7:41:40 GMT -5
M4madness if you dont mind me asking...how do you enter a buck into buckmasters? I have one id like to have scored and entered if he makes it. I found an official scorer for buckmasters rather close to me. Im guessing my first move should be to get with this fella? Thanks for the help in advance.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 11, 2014 8:05:08 GMT -5
M4madness if you dont mind me asking...how do you enter a buck into buckmasters? I have one id like to have scored and entered if he makes it. I found an official scorer for buckmasters rather close to me. Im guessing my first move should be to get with this fella? Thanks for the help in advance. Yes, just contact him. The guy I use scores for ALL of the record books, so that makes it easy for me. Congratulations on your buck.
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Post by deerhunter23 on Dec 11, 2014 9:53:39 GMT -5
Thanks again sir. I'll be getting with this guy soon then.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 11, 2014 10:08:43 GMT -5
Spread is nice, but that is not where the real scoring is. Tine length and lots of tines gest the scoring up.
Me? I really love MASS!
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