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Post by M4Madness on Nov 26, 2014 14:17:11 GMT -5
I believe what he was trying to say is that today's slug guns and muzzleloaders shoot like high-powered rifles so we may as well legalize HPR's.
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 26, 2014 14:49:59 GMT -5
yup. In fact they ARE HPR's
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Post by jimbob on Nov 26, 2014 14:58:20 GMT -5
Good discussion... I'd hate to see HPR legalized because it just seems that the state wants to make killing deer easy, and no matter how you slice it, it will be easier because your effective range is extended. Heck, it's depressing when gun season goes into effect, because most deer go nocturnal after a few days of lead flying making for more boring sits. Heck, even xbows are a hard pill to swallow. My solution is to take every kid I can hunting, and show them the right way and hopefully one day they'll own the neighboring property.
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Post by woody1071 on Nov 26, 2014 15:23:27 GMT -5
Why is killing deer easier a bad thing? We still have bag limits that can be adjusted from year to year.
If they go nocturnal now leading to boring sits, how will that change if HPRs are legal? Deer don't know what guns we carry.
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Post by shouldernuke on Nov 26, 2014 15:30:16 GMT -5
Shouldernuke, you also assume that just because people that may hunt with an HPR, because of it's effectiveness and efficiency will kill more deer. Why? I can still use my .358 and only take the deer that I want/need. It doesn't mean I am going to go a kill my quota in every county because it's easier. I'd imagine that nearly everyone that switched wouldn't suddenly decide they wanted to kill more deer. Guys that are on the fringe, that poach, take 2 bucks, tag dishonestly, kill and let rot will do it regardless of the weapon. Uhhmm, give the guys that do things right and just would like to utilize another weapon some credit and don't assume that they are out to wipe out the herd or take the county quota just because we can. Ummmm wrong hombre buddy I am just the opposite I am not anti HPR at all here .I am over the kill em all attitude and long seasons with almost no end .. That's all I am against .I am not all for unlimited "hunting Opportunity" is all I think harvest limits and shorter seasons have a place not these virtually unlimited deer killing marathons we now call deer hunting . But I am not anti xbow or any weapon.I am totally against those who barter these weapons inclusion or use for more so called opportunity aka deer to kill and days to do it.There is a time an place where enough is enough .The HPR will make cleaner killing weapons just like xbows did . 2 months and a week of deer season was always more than enough .I am also against the DNR using these new seasons and weapons just to raise more tag sales money rather than own up and say we just need to raise the tag price and be done .Rather than use a limited resource as a cash cow .
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Post by sakorifle on Nov 26, 2014 15:32:02 GMT -5
Greetings I thought you could already take deer out to 200yds with the equipment already allowed, mercy a man and wife have just come back from Africa and they used a Hoosier,to great effect, why because in real life it's a hpr man. The only difference is anyone can go and buy a standard rifle off the shelf and use it,instead of having to have a specialized rifle made. Old gear is great fun, but do you really think the great men of the past would of used a flintlock if they had the choice of a modern calibre, I don't think so. If someone wants to use old gear that is there right in your country, All about freedom of choice, something sadly missing over here. Regards Billy
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Post by woody1071 on Nov 26, 2014 15:40:47 GMT -5
Was just looking at Wisconsin regs. HPRs are legal there in some areas. I found this info with pie chart. Interesting. How Many Deer Do Individual Hunters Harvest? It is a common misconception that a sizeable percentage of deer hunters shoot more than one deer each year. Deer registration data totals for each hunter indicate that this is not the case. In 2013, 90% of Wisconsin licensed archery and gun deer hunters did not shoot more than one deer. Hunter surveys mailed to randomly-drawn Wisconsin deer hunters following the hunting seasons have indicated that one deer is all most hunters wish to consume in a year, and therefore all they wish to Number of Deer Harvested. Below is number of deer harvested per hunter:
I can't imagine that it would be much different than this here.
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Post by jimbob on Nov 26, 2014 15:57:42 GMT -5
Why is killing deer easier a bad thing? We still have bag limits that can be adjusted from year to year. If they go nocturnal now leading to boring sits, how will that change if HPRs are legal? Deer don't know what guns we carry. IMO, it dilutes the experience... When I see guy in Texas in a tripod stand who can't even see the deer with the naked eye dropping them, it reminds me of prairie dog shooting. I prefer to let them have a chance, but I know I'm in the minority. You are correct, HPR wouldn't change the fact that deer go noctural.,
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Post by woody1071 on Nov 26, 2014 16:07:25 GMT -5
Jimbob, Terrain and vegetation are vastly different in Indiana compared to most of Texas. They are in tripods because there aren't trees big enough for stands. They can also hunt over bait too, I think. I'm not a big fan of that style either. I am sure I could adapt if I lived there:)
If I'm hunting in a woods it's going to be tough to find a long range shot. If I'm hunting a field I could take a 300 yard shot but it certainly wouldn't be my preference. 300 yard shots are hard. If I took that shot and hit it right in the goodies I would be super happy with that accomplishment.
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Post by jimbob on Nov 26, 2014 16:16:42 GMT -5
Jimbob, Terrain and vegetation are vastly different in Indiana compared to most of Texas. They are in tripods because there aren't trees big enough for stands. They can also hunt over bait too, I think. I'm not a big fan of that style either. I am sure I could adapt if I lived there:) If I'm hunting in a woods it's going to be tough to find a long range shot. If I'm hunting a field I could take a 300 yard shot but it certainly wouldn't be my preference. 300 yard shots are hard. If I took that shot and hit it right in the goodies I would be super happy with that accomplishment. Agreed, if a 140" popped out at 300 yards, and my buddy happen to have his rifle, while I had a shotgun, and he said use this... I probably wouldn't say no if it was legal! Lol
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Post by hornzilla on Nov 26, 2014 16:24:24 GMT -5
Why is killing deer easier a bad thing? We still have bag limits that can be adjusted from year to year. If they go nocturnal now leading to boring sits, how will that change if HPRs are legal? Deer don't know what guns we carry. IMO, it dilutes the experience... When I see guy in Texas in a tripod stand who can't even see the deer with the naked eye dropping them, it reminds me of prairie dog shooting. I prefer to let them have a chance, but I know I'm in the minority. You are correct, HPR wouldn't change the fact that deer go noctural., It would just be another choice of weapon. No one will make anyone change what, or how they hunt. I know of one gentleman that started Oct 1st with bow. And will end season with bow. Hasn't changed his experience with what we have legal now.
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Post by woody1071 on Nov 26, 2014 16:31:10 GMT -5
2 Years ago on Thanksgiving day I got back to my house after hunting and noticed 3 deer out in the field across from my house. There was a bit of a depression that I could get down in. It wasn't much of a hill. I had my .357 Maximum rifle and went for it. I had to belly crawl in a plowed field for 100 yards. It was such a small hill that if I walked they would see me before I got in range. I finally crested the little hill when I was 180 yards from them. I dropped a doe from that range in her tracks with that single shot H&R .357 Max. That little hunt changed my attitude toward longer range weapons and HPR laws. That was one of the most fun hunts I had ever had. That was a challenge.
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Post by sakorifle on Nov 26, 2014 16:40:39 GMT -5
Greetings With the greatest of respect, it is a diluted experience for you, but the man on the tripod is probably getting as big a thrill as I would shooting a turkey with a recurve for the first time. Now I wouldn't choose to shoot my deer at those ranges, but that does not give me the go ahead to stop him in a free society. I'm a stalker and the closer I get the better I have done my job, using a 308, ok the deer does not have a chance, sorry, neither me nor any other hunter is there to give our targets a chance, we are there to humanely harvest our quarry, and a modern hpr is without doubt the tool for that job, whether at ten yards or two hundred yards it will do it if we do our part. But I would love to try archery if if only the once. Regards Billy
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 26, 2014 17:17:10 GMT -5
As you said earlier, Billy, it's pretty sad when a country such as yours allows high-powered rifles for deer eradication, and we are arguing about it here.
England isn't much larger than Indiana, and has 8 TIMES THE POPULATION!
Indiana: 95,000 sq. km and 6.571 million people
England: 130,000 sq. miles and 53.01 million people
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 26, 2014 17:26:40 GMT -5
My solution is to take every kid I can hunting, and show them the right way. What exactly is "the right way"? I'm hoping that you don't consider HPR's to be the wrong way and something of which to be ashamed. If rifles are legalized, I'll be packing one but still probably never take a shot over 100 yards. The places I hunt don't really offer long-range shooting opportunities. I'm strictly a woods hunter (no crops or food plots), so a 100-yard shot would be pretty darn long in the trees.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 26, 2014 17:30:29 GMT -5
IMO, it dilutes the experience... When I see guy in Texas in a tripod stand who can't even see the deer with the naked eye dropping them, it reminds me of prairie dog shooting. I prefer to let them have a chance, but I know I'm in the minority. You are correct, HPR wouldn't change the fact that deer go noctural., It would just be another choice of weapon. No one will make anyone change what, or how they hunt. I know of one gentleman that started Oct 1st with bow. And will end season with bow. Hasn't changed his experience with what we have legal now. The inclusion of "high powered rifles" will be just like the crossbows inclusion. Much Ado About Nothing...
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Post by firstwd on Nov 26, 2014 19:27:30 GMT -5
My solution is to take every kid I can hunting, and show them the right way. What exactly is "the right way"? I'm hoping that you don't consider HPR's to be the wrong way and something of which to be ashamed. If rifles are legalized, I'll be packing one but still probably never take a shot over 100 yards. The places I hunt don't really offer long-range shooting opportunities. I'm strictly a woods hunter (no crops or food plots), so a 100-yard shot would be pretty darn long in the trees. The "my way is the right way" attitude is the core of what has become wrong with this country these days.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 26, 2014 20:06:45 GMT -5
Just saw on Facebook where an Orange county "hunter" was arrested for hunting deer with a high-powered rifle.
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Post by jimbob on Nov 26, 2014 20:19:33 GMT -5
What exactly is "the right way"? I'm hoping that you don't consider HPR's to be the wrong way and something of which to be ashamed. If rifles are legalized, I'll be packing one but still probably never take a shot over 100 yards. The places I hunt don't really offer long-range shooting opportunities. I'm strictly a woods hunter (no crops or food plots), so a 100-yard shot would be pretty darn long in the trees. The "my way is the right way" attitude is the core of what has become wrong with this country these days. Oh? "Become wrong with this country"!? Who's opinion is that?! Lol I suppose you have a problem with folks like myself teaching kids how to respect others in the woods, along with the animals we pursue? Don't leave trash behind, make every effort to recover your animal, read the regs each year, always practice with your weapon, try to maintain a health balance between food source and the wildlife... I'd go on but I guess I'm only on the path of what's wrong with this country?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 20:29:12 GMT -5
There are many tool options available to make it more or less challenging to kill a deer. The most challenging tools can be used throughout EVERY day of the hunting season. The least challenging tools have a MUCH shorter timeframe they may be used. Not sure how someone else choosing one of the less challenging tools cheapens, in any way, the experience of someone who chooses to use a more challenging tool. This has always puzzled me.
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