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Post by 10point on Sept 17, 2014 12:46:25 GMT -5
I live in and hunt in Tippecanoe. All my spots are urban areas that can also be hunted with guns. Right or wrong I wonder if when the general public finds out about this there could be a push to have a minimum distance that one can hunt from a dwelling thus reducing the amount of areas open to hunting? Those living in the woods that don't know anything about guns/hunting might feel less comfortable during season knowing there are people out there with "high powered" rifles. In our case it will be all the way to the end of January.
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 17, 2014 16:45:06 GMT -5
My personal belief is that if an area is too dangerous to use a high-powered rifle, then it is probably too dangerous for anything larger than rimfire.
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Post by beermaker on Sept 17, 2014 17:09:20 GMT -5
Even a rimfire can travel great distances if unobstructed. The statement has been made before, but people insist on debating deer hunting calibers while damn near everything else can be hunting with damn near anything. While I realize that hunter density is not the same, many people hunt predators in wide-open fields with long range calibers. In theory, why is that acceptable, but not in the deer woods?
Anyway, I'll stick to the Marlin .44 and Winchester soft points. I am proficient with that combination out to 100 yards, which is about 50 yards father than I have shot all but 2 or 3 deer in the last 25 years.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 17, 2014 17:45:51 GMT -5
Yep if it's too dangerous for them, it's too dangerous for anything. Strawman.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 17, 2014 18:06:22 GMT -5
I think some are thinking that if the centerfires are OKed that there will a LOT more deer killed and just maybe they can get their prize that they so desperately want - a shorter and moved gun season...
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 17, 2014 18:08:19 GMT -5
Even a rimfire can travel great distances if unobstructed. I originally said "any firearm", then changed it to "anything larger than rimfire" before submitting my post. LOL! |
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 17, 2014 18:11:38 GMT -5
I think some are thinking that if the centerfires are OKed that there will a LOT more deer killed and just maybe they can get their prize that they so desperately want - a shorter and moved gun season... I personally think that the firearm harvest will remain the same, with some hunters just switching from one type of firearm to another. Surely there aren't a bunch of guys sitting on the sidelines not hunting, just waiting for centerfires to be legalized before taking up hunting. |
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 17, 2014 18:14:13 GMT -5
Nope I don't see how it will lead to anything but just deer hunting. Since we already hunt with big and small guns of all sorts and that includes HPRs its just another loud boom in the field where there are lots of loud booms every year is all it is .Truth is if a person lives in a woods and don't allow hunting on their land the new rule will not make any difference too them anyways .
So if a hunter don't have permission to be in a woods with houses it would not matter if he had a shotgun or HPR he is still wrong/illegal and that is what leads to disgruntled land/homeowners .
Remember that in this state if you discharge any weapon in an unsafe or illegal manor or cause a death ,damage ,or injury you will do time and pay for it with every dime you hopped to have .So the rules of engagement here are still the same be safe or pay the price .
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 17, 2014 18:17:26 GMT -5
I think some are thinking that if the centerfires are OKed that there will a LOT more deer killed and just maybe they can get their prize that they so desperately want - a shorter and moved gun season... why would they think that ??I mean the bag limit and days hunted will still be the same and likely so will the harvest .They have had a pipedream for a long long time and that is to exclude every deer hunter and keep all the bucks just for them and the days in the woods all for them .I never disliked a group as much as that one in my life .They are dreaming a wild dream that's all. Every time I get a chance to push a subject ,new rule ,or just make them individually miserable or as a group and see them squirm and listen /read them complain and cry I will. I will push that new subject or rule until they just give up and leave hunting completely here or the rest of the hunters in this state alone .Its just that simple .. |
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Post by firstwd on Sept 17, 2014 18:41:42 GMT -5
I think some are thinking that if the centerfires are OKed that there will a LOT more deer killed and just maybe they can get their prize that they so desperately want - a shorter and moved gun season... why would they think that ??I mean the bag limit and days hunted will still be the same and likely so will the harvest .They have had a pipedream for a long long time and that is to exclude every deer hunter and keep all the bucks just for them and the days in the woods all for them .I never disliked a group as much as that one in my life .They are dreaming a wild dream that's all. Every time I get a chance to push a subject ,new rule ,or just make them individually miserable or as a group and see them squirm and listen /read them complain and cry I will. I will push that new subject or rule until they just give up and leave hunting completely here or the rest of the hunters in this state alone .Its just that simple .. I've often said that if I had more free time in my life that I would join that group again with the sole mission of replacing the leadership, or at least exposing every little thing they do along the way. |
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Post by beermaker on Sept 17, 2014 19:34:24 GMT -5
I know we are getting a bit off-topic here, but I think there are some good comments being made. Yes, I do think that some people think a change in the allowed calibers will lead to more deer being harvested. Well, I for one don't know of anyone, much less a potentially good hunter, that is sitting at home because their 30-06 or .270 is not legal for deer hunting. Sure, maybe a handful of deer will be taken at longer distances, but I bet just as many will be missed and scared into seclusion.
I know plenty of people still hunting with 12g foster slugs and taking deer regularly. Why? Because they are familiar and comfortable and with their weapon. |
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Post by shouldernuke on Sept 17, 2014 19:47:47 GMT -5
As I recall there is something on the order of 60% of all gun hunters hunt less than 2 days .2 whole days guys oh man .I just don't see where them grabbing granddads 30-06 is going to change that .Something on the order of 25% of those hunters who hunt gun season kill at least one deer .So if they think its going to change over a gun type they are nuts!!
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Post by beermaker on Sept 17, 2014 19:58:52 GMT -5
Great point!
I know of numerous people that ONLY hunt opening day, and that's it. Period! Of that group, a few of them stay out Saturday morning until the cold overcomes their hangover from Friday night. It's back to the house and time to pour the first of several drinks while waiting for the others to show up.
People in this category will not hunt more days or shoot more deer than they always have.
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Post by jjas on Sept 17, 2014 22:25:11 GMT -5
I think some are thinking that if the centerfires are OKed that there will a LOT more deer killed and just maybe they can get their prize that they so desperately want - a shorter and moved gun season... I've heard that the people who want the gun season shortened/moved don't care if there are more deer killed overall or just more deer killed in the first few days. They think either scenario would prove that with hprs, that the season could/should be shortened and moved. Bottom line...they just want the guns out of the November woods......... |
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Post by steve46511 on Sept 17, 2014 22:43:07 GMT -5
I live in and hunt in Tippecanoe. All my spots are urban areas that can also be hunted with guns. Right or wrong I wonder if when the general public finds out about this there could be a push to have a minimum distance that one can hunt from a dwelling thus reducing the amount of areas open to hunting? Those living in the woods that don't know anything about guns/hunting might feel less comfortable during season knowing there are people out there with "high powered" rifles. In our case it will be all the way to the end of January. First, let me say that you hunting Tippecanoe had me all messed up for a bit. I had no idea there was a COUNTY named such. I live near a little burg named Tippecanoe that's maybe 8 miles away in Marshall county. Same thing goes on in my brain hearing about Knox. The town of Knox is the county seat of STARKE county next to us. Knox COUNTY is like 250 miles south of that. LOL. Neither towns are in the county with the same name. Who named all these towns and counties and how much did they have to drink?  In regards to your question I'd have to say that there could easily be some pushing for such restrictions in additional areas. I can only guess too that it would be the same people that push to stop hunters from hunting anyway and just want to use this as an additional tool. All of us realize that it's the ever growing increase in the population that mandates such though.......not the firearms, regardless of type. If approved, there will be a few organizations or groups that feel the use of HPRs is yet another argument useful to try to change something else. Some of that is being discussed here in other threads wondering if such and such organizations and groups won't try to use the legal use of HPRs as another "reason" they should get what they want. Only time will tell if they do try and if it will effect the state's decisions. On the "opportunity" side I actually think, at least for some, that the use of HPRs brings with it an INCREASE in opportunity with that increase being in the number of HUNTABLE areas where it will be feasible that one can expect to be successful. While we may have already had the permission to hunt an area with steady deer traffic but little concealment options, the use of a HPR in the hands of a hunter willing to practice adequately would make some of these areas more feasible to hunt using the extended range capabilities of HPRs. My guess is that MOST hunters will continue to hunt the same heavier cover as they have done previously and their shot distances won't increase much but IF standard HRPs and ammunition are approved more hunters will possibly be looking at hunting areas in a different manner and will be choosing stand locations slightly differently to utilize centerfire rifle range capabilities. Such I view as an increase in opportunity and I myself am an example of one doing so. My first day out with my wildcat I sat over 200 yards out from where I had sat for decades for this very reason and was fortunate enough to take a buck the first hour or so. I never dreamed of sitting in that spot with a shotgun or muzzleloader. In MY hands neither was viewed as a good choice for possible shots but the wildcat round made it a simple choice. I will be looking at any new hunting ground in a different perspective for just this very reason and feel others may too. God Bless |
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