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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 17:41:07 GMT -5
Jack, I must take exception with your ridiculous rant. Get in line! That was one of the most condescending, insulting, elitist, ignorant, garbage-filled diatribes I've ever read on this site. Right out of the users' manual of another Hoosier site where you can read volumes of the same sad mantra.
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Post by span870 on Sept 3, 2014 18:08:28 GMT -5
I wonder what the outcry would be if the state passed a new fluorescent orange reg? Say something like Wisconsin where 50% of the clothing above the waist must be fluro orange. Oh BTW, they (Wi.) dropped the "shotgun only" requirement for their southern counties. Now CF rifles can be used statewide. Oh they will. Soon as some moron shoots another kid they'll be whining for more and more orange. If won't take long once they've got the incompetent slob hunters missing more than ever before with bullets going further than any shot gun slug ever did. And when Slob Bob still can't kill a deer he'll want to quit pretending and just flat out make it legal to bait like the other states. When Bob the Slob still can't kill a deer over a corn pile with a 30-06 then he'll want to allow party hunting like Wisconsin. After all, all the same slogans fit. Dead is dead. We are in reduction mode. I paid for a license what difference does it make who fills it. They do it in name your state. Farmers are already doing it for free when they get depredation permits and hand them out to their friends to slaughter the resource with HP rifles. Wa wa wa, I don't see why... boo hoo. So then I assume you are using the self.made long bow with cedar arrows and flint heads to stalk your deer on the ground??? Met, I spoke to soon
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 18:25:39 GMT -5
The Subject of High Powered Rifles has always been controversial in Indiana. I think certain areas of Indiana may be too developed to allow them. But other areas are rural enough to allow them.
A popular belief in states that do not allow High Powered Rifles is that hunters in states that do allow High Powered Rifles are all hunting in very remote areas miles away from houses or roads, this is simply not true. In every state that does allow High Powered Rifles for Deer hunting, there are large numbers of hunters hunting within just a few hundred yards of houses or roads.
For example, tens of thousands of hunters use High Powered Rifles to hunt Deer in Kentucky and Tennessee every year. Thousands of them hunt close to houses and roads. If thousands of people can and do hunt within a few hundred yards of houses and roads every year in Kentucky and Tennessee, then the same can be allowed in Indiana.
There are counties in Kentucky and Tennessee that have over 300,000 people, yet those counties allow High Powered Rifles. Then you have extremely rural areas of Indiana like the Hoosier National Forest where High Powered Rifles are banned. To some people this simply does not make much sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 18:35:18 GMT -5
Some people with strange self-esteem issues think that someone killing a buck with a high powered rifle somehow cheapens their own accomplishment if they choose to use something they deem more challenging. So they spend their waking hours crusading the wilds of cyberspace belittling those "slob hunters" so that everyone is keenly aware that the way they choose to hunt is "real hunting" and those weekend warrior slobs are just shooting, not hunting. It's just sickening.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 3, 2014 19:17:41 GMT -5
Does it make anybody feel better that I killed my deer last year with my daughter and using a 45 caliber Pennsylvania rifle and real black powder? :-)
I honestly didn't start this thread to open a can of snakes. I really did want to understand why people didn't want the inclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 19:19:28 GMT -5
Sometimes snakes have a way of slithering in under the door all by themselves.
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 3, 2014 19:23:14 GMT -5
I am Bow and MZL and I am against it so not all fit that description But I can tell you this any one living in or near a Amish community better be prepared for a HUGE Deer reduction if Passed you can take that to the bank guys Are you saying that Amish guys are sitting on the sidelines not hunting, just waiting for the day that high-powered rifles are legalized so they can finally begin hunting?
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Post by throbak on Sept 3, 2014 19:24:09 GMT -5
You guys must have a different bunch of amish. Thats not like they are here You do realize they have 10 kids to feed for the most part LOL amish bought the farm next to me last year I found 5 Bucks killed and not retrieved FROM THE ROAD on their Property Never seen that before they moved in you wont find anyone speak like you do around here for the most part they are environmentally bankrupt And you know it was them that shot the deer? As far as environmentaly bankrupt. They are better stewards of the land than 95% of farmers I know. Have you ever hunted with the Amish or is this just what you've heard or been told? I was a Amish Driver. I was on a call list to find deer they shot and couldnt find they drove me nuts but my dog and I found several for them I bought my Farm from Amish As I said they must be a different sect where you are at...the thing now is Milk calve s every other amish down here has around 200 calves from NY I was told you should see this mess . environmental laws in NY wont allow it within. 20 miles of me are several hundred. they use a farm up down here then move on. It was on their farm we share the property line.they just bought it . in previous 10 years other than ehd never saw that before I didnt shoot em
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Post by squirrelhunter on Sept 3, 2014 20:33:09 GMT -5
Jack, I must take exception with your ridiculous rant. Get in line! That was one of the most condescending, insulting, elitist, ignorant, garbage-filled diatribes I've ever read on this site. Right out of the users' manual of another Hoosier site where you can read volumes of the same sad mantra.
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Post by bullseye on Sept 3, 2014 21:29:17 GMT -5
Interesting reading, WOW Emotional!
What I know is this. I will still go to the woods like I have for 35 years to deer hunt, Will take my Contender Handgun, Crossbow, PCR, ML or maybe try another legal weapon. If they legalize HPR maybe I will take my 30-06. All I know for sure is that I am going hunting, enjoying the great outdoors and having fun with a legal weapon and am not going to get emotionaly involved in what a legal weapon should be.
There are lots of laws in life I don't agree, just follow the law and get on with life.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2014 9:49:37 GMT -5
Do they have their own license? I understand the spin folks try and put on it.... that they are really just archery equipment and nothing more but if that were the case I cant see the DNR giving them their own license. I am just stating a truth that crossbows have a license of their own. " A truth "? The history of the crossbow license in Indiana… The leaders of the “organized Indiana hunting groups” who very much opposed crossbows in any archery season have always demanded a “crossbow license first and then we will discuss the season.” On it’s face that did not sound unreasonable until you looked behind the scenes. When these groups were asked why the crossbow license was needed they responded: 1)Get a handle on the number of hunters using a crossbow 2)Get a count of the number of deer killed with a crossbow. 3)Increased revenues If the rationale for a “crossbow license” is to get a handle on the number of people using a crossbow, the crossbow harvest and a new source of revenue it would not accomplish any of that. But that is NOT the real reason that these groups wanted a crossbow license. More on that later….But for now the answers to what they say the reasons are: 1) Number of crossbowers - As you know since there are over 40,000 lifetime license holders and an untold number of landowners who do not buy any kind of over the counter tag the IDNR can not get an “accurate count” of crossbowers even if there was a crossbow license. The IDNR has to survey the deer hunter in the state now to get an estimate of how many hunt with a slug gun, muzzleloader, PCR, bow and crossbow. Adding a crossbow license will not tell how many deer hunters are using a crossbow, much less tell what the harvest percentage is. 2) Number of deer killed with crossbows - The number of deer killed by crossbowers is already available, as everyone has to declare what weapon that they used when they check in a deer. No different than anyone else. All deer hunter have to declare what hunting tool we used when we check in a deer. That has not, nor will not, change with full inclusion of crossbows. 3)Revenue increase - The only revenues that would be realized from a crossbow license would be from bowhunters that want to hunt with their vertical bows and a crossbow. The present archery tag now used by crossbowers is already sufficient for raising more revenues if the crossbow season runs concurrent with the archery season. Since another license can be a new very small source of revenue for the IDNR I personally did not have a problem with a "crossbow license " IF the season is established to coincide with ALL of the archery season. Now for the REAL reason that these groups wanted a crossbow license … An officer of one of these groups at that time posted on IndianaBowhunters.com on March 5, 2005.. Did you get that? “If we can get a seperation in tags, I think we can keep a seperation in seasons.” So it was not about number of crossbowers, the crossbow kill or revenues. but it was a blocking tactic to keep crossbows out of the archery season. These groups erroneously thought that the legislature had to approve any new licensing, so it could get tied up for years more in the legislature. Then they would work to keep crossbows out of archery season by saying” they are different as they have different tags”. It seems that they worked diligently behind the scenes.. A leader of one such group posted Bowsite....... So, if this was already “secured” in 2007 why did we even have an input and surveys in 2007 and 2010 (where the most sought after deer item was crossbow use for all in the early archery season) and do that total charade? As we all know now the Proposition 1had using crossbows in the firearm season, over 65 and a crossbow license. The “leader’s” prediction was coming true. Of course this leader and the leaders of the other groups were “stakeholders” in determining what was to be in Proposition 1. I was told by a DNR official that they did want crossbows for everyone in the archery season, but that it was not forwarded in the “negotiations”. Unfortunately for these groups, who’s main desire was to keep crossbows out of the archery season, Proposition 1 was not very palatable to over 80% of the Indiana deer hunters because they were also moving and shortening the gun and muzzleloader season. The NRC did an unprecedented thing and told the DNR to withdraw their proposal and go back to the drawing board. At that time I was made aware that the crossbow license did not have to go through the legislature, so the idea of that stalling crossbows further was out of the picture.. The DNR could establish that on their own, While the DNR was redrawing the proposition I emailed numerous people in the DNR and NRC with my last Email to Mark Reiter stating the above in why the “organized hunting groups” really wanted a “crossbow license” and told him: “I’m tired of the constant bickering and the diversionary “get a crossbow license” tact from the “organized hunting groups”. Compromise - I am 100% OK with you all establishing a crossbow license as long as the hunters that chose a crossbow can hunt the archery season. So please do establish that license and the season at the same time. I do not care of it is called a “crossbow license”(thus partially appeasing the groups) or a bazooka license as long as crossbowers get to hunt in their rightful season – archery season. That is exactly what the DNR proposed in Proposition 2..and was accepted by the NRC. BTW – The organized hunting groups was not in on the formulation of Proposition2. So there you have it – the history of the “crossbow license” in Indiana.. Glad that you asked.. .
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 9:56:17 GMT -5
Do they, or do they not, have a crossbow license?
Simple question with a simple answer. No spin needed .... really.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2014 10:03:30 GMT -5
Did you read the above at all?
It's an appeasement...
It's a throw the dog a bone..
Who really cares except some high and mighty folks that want to think because they use a high tech compound bow that they are somehow better than a hunter that chooses a crossbow.
We are now hunting the archery season where no other deer hunting equipment is used except archery equipment. THAT is where the rubber meets the road...
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 4, 2014 10:06:37 GMT -5
one does NOT need a crossbow license to hunt with one. yes their is a license for them....or one could simply use a bundle license. So the answer is kinda yes and no
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 10:07:33 GMT -5
one does NOT need a crossbow license to hunt with one. yes their is a license for them....or one could simply use a bundle license. So the answer is kinda yes and no That is true.
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 10:09:49 GMT -5
Did you read the above at all? It's an appeasement... It's a throw the dog a bone.. Who really cares except some high and mighty folks that want to think because they use a high tech compound bow that they are somehow better than a hunter that chooses a crossbow. We are now hunting the archery season where no other deer hunting equipment is used except archery equipment. THAT is where the rubber meets the road... Of course I read it. Your opinion of events or what you may have been told as either truth or a way to appease you were not my question.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2014 10:27:52 GMT -5
Did you read the above at all? It's an appeasement... It's a throw the dog a bone.. Who really cares except some high and mighty folks that want to think because they use a high tech compound bow that they are somehow better than a hunter that chooses a crossbow. We are now hunting the archery season where no other deer hunting equipment is used except archery equipment. THAT is where the rubber meets the road... Of course I read it. Your opinion of events or what you may have been told as either truth or a way to appease you were not my question. You read it wrong then. They did not appease me, they appeased the groups. What I have stated is 110% fact, not "opinions" at all. But you know what else ? I knew that there would be chest thumping self appointed elitists that would say " you're not archers! You have a different license". You know what else? WE DON'T CARE!
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 10:33:06 GMT -5
I did not read it wrong.....
Nice job on the name calling though.....I know it couldn't have been directed at me but to those it was directed at it wasn't very nice. Does the use of that word put you in the "slob" group the other side always mentions?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 10:38:42 GMT -5
I did not read it wrong..... Nice job on the name calling though.....I know it couldn't have been directed at me but to those it was directed at it wasn't very nice. Does the use of that word put you in the "slob" group the other side always mentions? Go spend 5 minutes reading another "Hoosier hunting " forum and if you can think of a different "name" for it that's more appropriate, get back to us.
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 10:45:06 GMT -5
So is "slob" appropriate for those they disagree with?
I don't think so.
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