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Post by GS1 on Dec 30, 2013 15:58:30 GMT -5
Whatever! How about no huntable population in 5 years. Maybe call this site "hunting indiana except deer". Moving and shortening firearms and limiting crossguns would help the herd now that it is down. The oportunity guys are always going to get "their" deer until there arw few left. I think you missed the point. Some that backed prop #1 did so at the time because it was the best choice to REDUCE the size of the herd. It would end the whole "sit back and wait for a buck" mentality. Now some of those same people are trying to rally support from hunters who are not happy with the reduced herd to contact whoever they can to push for prop #1 again, but this time it's purpose is to INCREASE the size of the herd. Quite comical and I'm sure the DNR recognizes the names of the same criers in each case and realizes that they are doing so without knowing anything about the size of the herd statewide. But hey, that's how they do it in ohio. Lol
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 30, 2013 16:01:46 GMT -5
Whatever! How about no huntable population in 5 years. Maybe call this site "hunting indiana except deer". Moving and shortening firearms and limiting crossguns would help the herd now that it is down. The oportunity guys are always going to get "their" deer until there arw few left. If that is the case then how did we manage to get the big herd that the DNR now wants to reduce? Guns have always been in season during the rut around here. Idk, let it play out. Kill em all I have other states to hunt
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 30, 2013 16:19:45 GMT -5
I think you missed the point. Some that backed prop #1 did so at the time because it was the best choice to REDUCE the size of the herd. It would end the whole "sit back and wait for a buck" mentality. Now some of those same people are trying to rally support from hunters who are not happy with the reduced herd to contact whoever they can to push for prop #1 again, but this time it's purpose is to INCREASE the size of the herd. Quite comical and I'm sure the DNR recognizes the names of the same criers in each case and realizes that they are doing so without knowing anything about the size of the herd statewide. But hey, that's how they do it in ohio. Lol I don't think it is a game just calling what I see now. I care about the herd so I didn't kill this year. Sad fact is most shooters think thwy have to kill something to have a set hung on them. Most could care less about the herd.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 30, 2013 16:22:04 GMT -5
And many think they are biologist also.
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Post by jjas on Dec 30, 2013 16:23:06 GMT -5
If that is the case then how did we manage to get the big herd that the DNR now wants to reduce? Guns have always been in season during the rut around here. Idk, let it play out. Kill em all I have other states to hunt I don't think anyone on here wants to "kill 'em all"...I think what most of us want to do is use data and facts to make solid decisions. And IF there is a proven need @ some point to reduce the pressure on the does, the most logical thing(s) to do would be for the DNR to lower the bonus doe quota permits available and if that didn't work then remove the bonus antler less season since it specifically targets the very sex of deer some are suggesting may need protection.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 30, 2013 16:55:39 GMT -5
Whatever! How about no huntable population in 5 years. Maybe call this site "hunting indiana except deer". Moving and shortening firearms and limiting crossguns would help the herd now that it is down. The oportunity guys are always going to get "their" deer until there arw few left. One more time... Back in the 70s and 80s when the DNR wanted to grow the herd they only issued so many antlerless permits per county. It was very restricted. The DNR grew the herd didn't they? In fact they grew the herd a little too much in some places as the legislature got involved, right? Now, if a deer hunter had time, money and places to hunt they could go county to county and kill close to 400 antlerless deer. IF the DNR wants the herd to grow again all they need to do is cut back on antlerless permits again. As I posted earlier IF you want YOUR area herd to grow cut back on killing does and try to get the neighbors on board with that. But you know what? maybe the DNR isn't where they would like to be herd population wise. They really have never stated a goal, just that the herd needed reducing. They just might want more deer killed in select counties/areas. The absolute easiest way to start to grow the herd again, IF THE DNR SEES THE NEED, is cancel the " special antlerless season". It has been titled "special" for a reason. In 2012 the reported harvest during that " special antlerless season" was 10,091, with 82% of the harvest reported as does. That is 8,275 does saved who will drop one to two fawns the next year. One more thing - The trappers tried to warn the organized groups not to get on board the banning of live trapping of coyotes but the hierarchy of the groups knew better. Now a lot of trappers have quit trapping coyotes and the coyotes are now enjoying fawns for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The deer herds may be down, but the coyotes packs aren't.
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Post by tony on Dec 30, 2013 20:11:27 GMT -5
What I can't understand is why they reduced our county from a 4 to a 3 last year thus denying us the late antlerless season but the summer depredation tags have been increased . Makes no sense to me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 30, 2013 21:00:19 GMT -5
Whatever! How about no huntable population in 5 years. Maybe call this site "hunting indiana except deer". Moving and shortening firearms and limiting crossguns would help the herd now that it is down. The oportunity guys are always going to get "their" deer until there arw few left. One more time... Back in the 70s and 80s when the DNR wanted to grow the herd they only issued so many antlerless permits per county. It was very restricted. The DNR grew the herd didn't they? In fact they grew the herd a little too much in some places as the legislature got involved, right? Now, if a deer hunter had time, money and places to hunt they could go county to county and kill close to 400 antlerless deer. IF the DNR wants the herd to grow again all they need to do is cut back on antlerless permits again. As I posted earlier IF you want YOUR area herd to grow cut back on killing does and try to get the neighbors on board with that. But you know what? maybe the DNR isn't where they would like to be herd population wise. They really have never stated a goal, just that the herd needed reducing. They just might want more deer killed in select counties/areas. The absolute easiest way to start to grow the herd again, IF THE DNR SEES THE NEED, is cancel the " special antlerless season". It has been titled "special" for a reason. In 2012 the reported harvest during that " special antlerless season" was 10,091, with 82% of the harvest reported as does. That is 8,275 does saved who will drop one to two fawns the next year. One more thing - The trappers tried to warn the organized groups not to get on board the banning of live trapping of coyotes but the hierarchy of the groups knew better. Now a lot of trappers have quit trapping coyotes and the coyotes are now enjoying fawns for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The deer herds may be down, but the coyotes packs aren't. For those that don't believe that coyotes can make a significant impact on fawn recruitment just google "coyote predator of deer fawns" and read the articles and studies that have been done. It will shock you. That is why I will shoot every coyote I see... Maybe you should too...
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Post by greghopper on Dec 31, 2013 17:23:09 GMT -5
What I can't understand is why they reduced our county from a 4 to a 3 last year thus denying us the late antlerless season but the summer depredation tags have been increased . Makes no sense to me. That's not good at all!!!
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 31, 2013 17:37:50 GMT -5
What I can't understand is why they reduced our county from a 4 to a 3 last year thus denying us the late antlerless season but the summer depredation tags have been increased . Makes no sense to me. As I understand it depredation tags are issued on an individual basis. The biologist meets with the landowner who shows him the damage and the biologist determines numbers of tags. IMO, the numbers of Deer are varied all over a county so where you hunt may be low numbers but the farmer who got dep tags had high numbers.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 31, 2013 18:23:46 GMT -5
What I can't understand is why they reduced our county from a 4 to a 3 last year thus denying us the late antlerless season but the summer depredation tags have been increased . Makes no sense to me. How do you find out that info?
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Post by tony on Dec 31, 2013 22:19:39 GMT -5
talking to local farmers. 120 or more permits given out just locally. That's about double from the year before and believe me the deer numbers aren't doubled around here.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 1, 2014 6:29:04 GMT -5
How many landowners, how much ground and how many of those 120 were filled?
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Post by tony on Jan 1, 2014 15:06:02 GMT -5
6 landowners , aprox. 3000 acres and most told me that they had trouble filling 1/3 to 1/2 of their permits yet there is one that gets tags every year that said he shot about 80 deer which is below his average of 90 or more per summer. Then come deer season very few deer were seen by local hunters who usually have no problem filling their tags.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 2, 2014 6:31:33 GMT -5
Sure would think after a year or two the numbers would be little to none around that place. What county are you talking about?
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Post by tony on Jan 2, 2014 21:56:17 GMT -5
Huntmeister , I sent you a PM
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Post by mkfrench on Jan 3, 2014 20:03:45 GMT -5
And many think they are biologist also. Awesome post!!
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Post by lugnutz on Jan 4, 2014 12:25:41 GMT -5
PS... Want to grow your herd? Cut back on the doe killing in your area. That is what the IDNR does when it lowers a county bonus number. THAT is the controlling factor. But be very assured that the same folks that backed Prop #1, to supposedly reduce the herd, will be back wanting those shortened and moved gun seasons again only this time to supposedly grow the herd. LOL.... It is very plain that all they want to do is cut out the gun hunters from the pre-rut and rut so they can hunt it all by themselves with bows. It is going to get ugly all over again.... Respectively, couldn't disagree more with all that. Only, if you own a larger parcel of property do you really have control of the deer heard. You already know how much deer travel. Not killing them on your property will only help your neighbor keep filling his freezer, and/or all his buddies freezer. I'd say a large portion of hunters could care less about the size of the herd, they just wanna kill something. Their is 153,600 acres in my county, how is not shooting does on my 15 acres gonna help the deer herd on my property? Simple, its not going to. But the DNR cutting does tag limits will. And your comments about Prop #1, lengthening gun season is shortening the herd, along with xbows. Gun season is lucky to catch the last half end of the rut, more less any of the pre rut the way that it is. Thus proving that peeps that liked Prop #1 could care less about hunting the pre rut without firearms, cause thats the way it currently is. I do agree on your last comment, its definitely gonna get ugly all over again...
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2014 18:17:19 GMT -5
Micro managing is possible and can be successful. If you own 15 acre's I would be knocking on neighbor's door's and forming relationship's. If you can get several neighbor's on same page with reducing doe harvest you will have a doe population that will rebound quickly. Doesn't work in all area's, but I've had great success where I live. I only have 150 acre's but got with 2 neighbor's and now have limited pressure on close to 700 acre's. Last week I was coming home from work about dark and counted 38 antlerless deer within 1 mile of my house. None of us are hunting special antlerless season on our farm's.
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Post by nodog on Jan 4, 2014 23:07:36 GMT -5
just as people do deer have to "adapt" to the changing times. Every year they get less and less habitat that you would think hold deer due to farming industrial or housing practices. Correct, land development like: industrial development, new highways & roads, along with housing developments, has to be weighed against habitat for Deer. As habitat shrinks, Deer and other wildlife, are concentrated into smaller areas thus becoming more visible, which makes it seems like there is more Deer but in reality there isn't. Ok, lets stop and smell the huge downturn in development since 2008. This idea of habitat reduction is just plain ignorant. The breeders have been all shot up so much so that the ones left can't replenish the herd, it's just that simple. The rub is, as hunters we've been told season after season there isn't enough deer to justify liberal tags, the hunter waited. When the tags became liberal we thought, they're more deer and shooting more wouldn't hurt the recovery since we wouldn't get the tags if it hurt the recovery. Wrong-O, we've been sold out and need to wake up, the dnr has been compromised. Stop shooting the does. Save some money. Crummy party's over.
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