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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 14, 2013 20:27:41 GMT -5
Huntmeister, thanks for the tip on the Remington bullets. I'm calling Midway first thing Monday morning! Yep, glad to help out a fellow hand-loader! I am understanding that those pills a great terminal performers! If I didn't already have some 200 FTX's and 180 interlock SSP's to play with in the new Marlin I would be jumping on an order as well but funds are now running short. |
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Post by parson on Dec 16, 2013 17:09:47 GMT -5
Just finished up loading 20 trimmed cases. I pulled the bullets from factory rounds, trimmed, and reloaded with same powder & bullets.
Bullets were a little loose in the trimmed necks and I had no way of cutting down my factory crimp die this evening. So, I used a .357 shell holder that the 35 rem case sat on top of, and it allowed the shortened case to activate the crimp die and apply sufficient crimp to the rounds.
The way that the Lee crimp die functions, there was no danger of the case sticking in the die.
I may eventually shorten the crimp die, but I am comfortable shooting these rounds.
Just an idea that someone might find useful.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 16, 2013 19:29:13 GMT -5
I was wondering about de-constructing some factory ammo. I have a Lyman universal trimmer but wasn't sure if I could safely chuck up a primed case to trim it.
Didn't realize you could pull that trick with the FCD. Thanks for sharing Parson.
I just got my UPS notice that the 336 I bought should deliver to my LGS on Wed...I cannot wait!
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 16, 2013 20:59:02 GMT -5
I am a muzzelloader nut so not to informed on rifle stuff. my question is are u just trimming case length to meet IN regs and still shooting out of a regular 35 rem rifle? doesnt this affect accuresey (sp) or grouping. I always thought the bullet needed to be in close proxcinity to the lands or are u short seating the bullet. thanks for any info guys
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 16, 2013 22:10:25 GMT -5
I am a muzzelloader nut so not to informed on rifle stuff. my question is are u just trimming case length to meet IN regs and still shooting out of a regular 35 rem rifle? doesnt this affect accuresey (sp) or grouping. I always thought the bullet needed to be in close proxcinity to the lands or are u short seating the bullet. thanks for any info guys Trimming the brass down about 1/8" and then loading to standard 35 Rem specs including overall length and firing from an unaltered rifle chambered in 35 Rem. If you plan to load rounds in a tubular magazine you will have to do a basic modification to the cartridge crimping die as you will have to crimp the case. |
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Post by davepowers on Dec 17, 2013 16:59:08 GMT -5
So you trim the neck, do you set the bullet deeper in the case or just crimp short. If deeper in the case what does that do to pressure? If crimping short is there enough to hold onto?
Dave
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 17, 2013 18:11:51 GMT -5
Dave,
I am new to this one but have done as much research as one can. You set the bullet the same as you would on an untrimmed case, you just have less neck. You have to modify the LEE factory crimp die to properly fit the shortened case. You disassemble the crimp die and cut the same amount from the bottom of the internal portion of the die, the collet I believe it is called, so that the crimp die will crimp on the brass and not the bullet alone. According to those who have now done this it is no problem, everything works just as if it was an unaltered 35 Rem cartridge.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 18, 2013 16:02:05 GMT -5
Or if you are shooting a single shot like I am, trim the brass to legal length, seat the bullet just off the rifling and fire away. The guys that you are seeing trimming crimp dies are the ones shooting tube-fed repeaters.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 18, 2013 20:48:07 GMT -5
Just took delivery of my new to me 336 in 35 Remington tonight. Excellent condition inside and out. Don't think it has been shot much at all. Manufactured in 1984. Cannot wait to get to the range with it. I sure love the way a lever gun handles!   |
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Post by tomthreetoes on Dec 19, 2013 21:20:19 GMT -5
That's a slick looking 336. I traded my brother out of my dad's old 336 and picked up another at a gunshow. Now my wife and I both have one. One is a little difficult to close on my shortened reloads. I think that I might need to screw my resizing die down a 1/2 turn or so. I have it set to just size the neck slightly as I ruined some cases starting out by setting the shoulder back. The rounds chamber fine in the other one. I wonder if the chamber dimensions could vary from one rifle to another?
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Post by parson on Dec 20, 2013 7:18:35 GMT -5
I like that Marlin!
If I come across a deal, I may not be able to resist the urge!
Let us know how that thing shoots with the shorties.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 20, 2013 7:44:58 GMT -5
I know where there is a 336 in 35 Rem right now. It is kinda rough on the outside but the bore looked good. Bet you could get it for $200 to $250.
Also know where another one is that is not quite as rough but it is out of state. I have several photos of that one.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 20, 2013 7:50:13 GMT -5
If the weather permits this weekend, I will be sending some factory ammo downrange. I picked up a weaver rail last night and am looking for some low mount steel rings.
Big thing I need to get done is the alteration to the LEE factory crimp die.
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Post by parson on Dec 20, 2013 8:52:24 GMT -5
The method that I mentioned above will allow you to crimp without modifying the die.
I used a Lee primer shell holder for .357, on top of the press shell holder,to set the case on, activating the crimper in the die.
Actually, 2 or 3 flat washers would be about right. They would need to be of a size that allowed the primer to rest over the hole in the center.
The die body pretty well centers the case.
I'm thinking that if/when Indiana lifts these ridiculous cartridge restrictions, I wont need to buy a new crimp die.
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 20, 2013 20:01:25 GMT -5
The method that I mentioned above will allow you to crimp without modifying the die. I used a Lee primer shell holder for .357, on top of the press shell holder,to set the case on, activating the crimper in the die. Actually, 2 or 3 flat washers would be about right. They would need to be of a size that allowed the primer to rest over the hole in the center. The die body pretty well centers the case. I'm thinking that if/when Indiana lifts these ridiculous cartridge restrictions, I wont need to buy a new crimp die. parson, not sure I am totally following your approach yet. Does the diameter of whatever I sit under the 35 case have to be a smaller diameter than the 35 case head? Also, you said if I used washers the holes would need to line up below the primer, why? Am I just trying to add about the same amount in height below the case as I take off the case or does it really matter? If I am understanding how the collet works, I just simply need to apply some pressure to the collet to get it to compress on the case at the neck-mouth junction. If I understand it, I cannot really harm a case with the LEE FCD. |
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 20, 2013 22:16:38 GMT -5
Been playing around with the dies and brass since the last post. parson, it looks to me that if I use your spacer suggestion below the case that it would have to be a smaller diameter than the case head so that the case can sit further up in the crimp die. Or maybe just by it sitting on top of the shell holder it is high enough?
Also it seems to me that you are going on strictly feel for how much crimp. Obviously, you cannot over crimp it as the collet will only close so far.
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Post by parson on Dec 21, 2013 7:04:43 GMT -5
In normal use, the edge of the shell holder pushes the insert of the die upward, activating the crimp collet, while the base of the shell sits lower beneath the rim of the holder.
By setting the shell on a flat surface, the entire length of the case enters the die, and the washer activates the collet.
The washer needs to support case. I like to use a washer because it supports the case while allowing the primer to sit over the center hole.
Hopefully, this is understandable. It's early, and I haven't had my first cup of coffee. If I can get a clear picture I'll post a visual.
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Post by parson on Dec 21, 2013 7:31:46 GMT -5
  Hopefully, this is clear enough. |
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 21, 2013 9:37:41 GMT -5
THANKS parson!
Photos are a bit small but I think I am getting the gist of it. Basically the part of the case that was below the shell holder is now above it and that appears to me to be pretty close to what I will be removing from the overall length of the case to be legal. Did I do good?
If I am correct, the nice thing about this approach is the crimp die does not have to be modified and it can be used for standard length 35 Remmy cases too.
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Post by parson on Dec 21, 2013 9:49:33 GMT -5
That is correct. And, you can "fine tune" the crimp by adjusting how far the die is screwed into your press.
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