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Post by hunthard4 on Nov 14, 2013 21:24:04 GMT -5
You aren't being selfish. If the people calling you selfish had put in the time and effort that had and then had someone asking to come benefit from your work....they might have a different view.
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Post by kirch86 on Nov 14, 2013 22:53:16 GMT -5
I am a firm believer in the golden rule. Do onto others as you would have done onto you. . . My brother in law doesn't have the freedom I have to hunt whenever he wants. I took all last week off of work and hunted the same stand from saturday-friday. Saw multiple deer everyday including a couple shooters. Saturday he was able to hunt so I let him hunt my stand. He saw 7 deer by 9:30 and shot a 5.5yo doe. Biggest doe I have ever seen. I couldn't be happier for him for him.
Maybe if he goes out and is successful, then it will increase his drive to get more into hunting. You have to start somewhere.
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Post by schoolmaster on Nov 14, 2013 23:28:08 GMT -5
Take him out. Try him out. Get him involved.
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Post by butlerjp87 on Nov 15, 2013 0:00:16 GMT -5
Keep good sportsmanship in mind, if he has a son or a nephew or a neighbor kid that doesn't have a father around, maybe he"LL pass the favor on, whether he has land or hunts public land, we need to share this great passion of ours, with someone at sometime. To keep hunting alive it very well could go down hill in the future. Think if he does have a son or neighbor boy with no father and teaches them to hunt, then he grows up to be a politician who decides the fate of having public ground or allowing hunting activities... Let him hunt atleast once this year.
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Post by GS1 on Nov 15, 2013 0:29:17 GMT -5
If they have left the decision up to you then that's another story.
Sorry to say I think you are being selfish, but you asked. I just think the fact that some people are more worried about someone killing their deer instead of enjoying the hunt is ruining the sport.
But what do I know, last time I killed a big buck on somewhere other than a family members farm, I got a registered letter from their lawyer telling me not to come back.
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Post by duff on Nov 15, 2013 4:14:11 GMT -5
Sorry to say I think you are being selfish, but you asked. I just think the fact that some people are more worried about someone killing their deer instead of enjoying the hunt is ruining the sport. BINGO...I have always felt if a person has to ask...usually they already know! Regardless of any ones opinion on here, if it is your call, do what you need to do. We all have selfish desires in life. Sometimes you have to deal with it the best you can. Make the best choice you can and what makes you sleep well at night. Good luck.
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Post by hunter7x on Nov 15, 2013 6:17:04 GMT -5
Last year on a farm I have hunted for 20 years I found out a couple weeks into the season that the landowners grandson had taken up bowhunting. I was a little shocked that he and a friend had already shot deer out of 2 different stands I had bought, scouted locations for, fine tuned the locations for over several years and put up. One of the stands was a stand I use to kill does from, no big deal. The other was a honey hole stand I only go into if the wind is right and only during the rut. He made a bad shot on the button buck and they trailed it all thru an 18 acre thicket that I never step foot in except to shed hunt. I didn't see a buck from that stand the rest of the year. He kept referring to them as "our" stands lol I tried talking to the grandson about wind direction, stand approach, not killing too many does, I encouraged him to shoot any buck he wanted to and talked to him about the so called stages a hunter goes thru, (killing A deer, killing a BUNCH of deer, killing QUALITY deer and enjoying the experience.) The whole time we talked (multiple talks) his head was shaking yes but then he would tell me about his buddy walking thru the standing corn to try to scare deer to him or he missed a doe or his buddy killed another doe and took a running shot at another one.... I was extremely frustrated. I specifically asked him not to hunt a stand that is my most productive stand on the farm only to have him tell me his buddy sat in it. I finally went up and removed all of my ladders bottom sections and removed a couple stands all together. He shot another doe late in bow season and made a bad shot on it. I was hunting at the time and he text me. I told him to stay put and we would look for her after I came out. I never heard another word from him so in an hour or so I made my way over to him. He was on the ground looking for blood. We talked about the shot and the hit and the deers reaction and direction of travel, he couldn't answer 3 of the 4, which is common I think from new hunters. The arrow didn't show good sign so I told him lets go get some lunch and come back, he said well Brad is already looking for her. Brad the buddy Ive heard so much about turned out to be a grown man and had been trying to mentor the grandson. Anyhow brad was "trailing" the deer by walking thru all the thickets. I had the grandson go get him and tried talking to him about a bad shot and we needed to give it time. He said yeah its gone, if it was dead I would have found it already. (This has turned into a long story sorry...) We backed out, came back, I picked up a blood trail 75 yards in the line of travel and found the doe dead in 150. So the moral of this story is, I feel your pain brother!!
The capper came this fall in Mid September when I was uninvited to hunt on the farm any more. The kid still asks me questions and I gladly answer them. I even left a stand up for him to hunt. Oh yeah and He has been hunting a total of 1 time all year!! There is 280 acres of prime deer land that is gonna be KILLER next year.
Help your new friend out, who cares of he kills a deer/buck/ monster buck. Hunting is more than just about the kill.
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Post by barogers2 on Nov 15, 2013 7:00:15 GMT -5
The more I've thought about it and read these stories the more I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just try to help him get into it like I did my best friend. If he comes out here and kills a stud he's going to be hooked for good and I'll always have a hunting buddy. I guess I was just scared about the whole idea of losing one of "MY" deer when there's a chance that I'll never even getting one. Looks like well be going out Sunday morning to try to get him a deer! Thanks for all the replies and what not. Love having people to talk to about these sort of things and this forum is my go to for situations like this. Thanks again everyone
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Post by jjas on Nov 15, 2013 8:41:30 GMT -5
The more I've thought about it and read these stories the more I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just try to help him get into it like I did my best friend. If he comes out here and kills a stud he's going to be hooked for good and I'll always have a hunting buddy. I guess I was just scared about the whole idea of losing one of "MY" deer when there's a chance that I'll never even getting one. Looks like well be going out Sunday morning to try to get him a deer! Thanks for all the replies and what not. Love having people to talk to about these sort of things and this forum is my go to for situations like this. Thanks again everyone In the end, I think you are doing the right thing. I would be sure and tell him that next year I'd appreciate help doing all the work that goes into preparing for the hunts. Good luck.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 15, 2013 8:59:21 GMT -5
The more I've thought about it and read these stories the more I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just try to help him get into it like I did my best friend. If he comes out here and kills a stud he's going to be hooked for good and I'll always have a hunting buddy. I guess I was just scared about the whole idea of losing one of "MY" deer when there's a chance that I'll never even getting one. Looks like well be going out Sunday morning to try to get him a deer! Thanks for all the replies and what not. Love having people to talk to about these sort of things and this forum is my go to for situations like this. Thanks again everyone In the end, I think you are doing the right thing. I would be sure and tell him that next year I'd appreciate help doing all the work that goes into preparing for the hunts. Good luck. Yep... Get a vocal agreement from him now. Explain to him that "the hunt" is not just opening weekend. Explain what you do all year around and say "Just like you appreciate being allowed to hunt this weekend I would appreciate YOUR help in the off season." Get a firm agreement and make him stick to it. No help - no hunt next year... Fair deal...
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 15, 2013 9:09:34 GMT -5
.......,.....,. But what do I know, last time I killed a big buck on somewhere other than a family members farm, I got a registered letter from their lawyer telling me not to come back. Yikes! I know you and that was totally unwarranted. Just a face to face telling you that you couldn't hunt there anymore would have been sufficient. Surely not a formal letter from a lawyer? Care to share more? PM me if you don't want to post it...
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Post by omegahunter on Nov 15, 2013 9:14:29 GMT -5
If your dad and uncle were ok with it, take him to wherever YOU want to take him and let him shoot whatever is legal and he has tags for. With the stipulation that if he hunts next year, he will be putting in time and effort in the off season and will hunt with whatever restrictions that you, your dad and uncle have been hunting with.
Any first-timers that I have taken hunting I have let shoot whatever they wanted to as long as it was legal and they had the tag to fill. I did shoot with them beforehand so that I at least knew their gun was sighted in. They were grateful to get the experience under their belt.
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 15, 2013 9:19:01 GMT -5
we all started somewhere at some time. This is a golden opportunity to bring in a new hunter. The Good Lord takes care of those who take care of others. Your "reward" might just be the buck of a lifetime...or a lifetime friend.
And absolutely DO NOT dictate what he can shoot. We all hunt for our own reasons and our harvest selections are a personal matter
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Post by firstwd on Nov 15, 2013 9:20:00 GMT -5
You aren't being selfish. If the people calling you selfish had put in the time and effort that had and then had someone asking to come benefit from your work....they might have a different view. Not true at all. I've spent years grooming ground for deer and especially waterfowl and shared it with loads of other people. My family actually scouted, built, and maintained duck blinds on public ground where everyone could use them.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Nov 15, 2013 9:29:57 GMT -5
You have a lot to think about. Apparently the father and uncle don't care if he hunts, and has pushed the decision on to you. Personally, I would let him hunt and wish him the best of luck, and the biggest reason is that he's family. He may spend two hours sitting in the cold and realize it's just not for him. On the other hand if he really likes it, you may have gained another good hunting partner.
Several guys here have taken me under their wing and helped me. I really appreciate it. I wish that it had been my in-laws who did this for me, but it wasn't this way ...and my wife owns some of the land.
There's absolutely no way that I would say, "No." Possibly you could offer to help him next weekend or Thanksgiving or next year, but don't say no.
I can be generous to a fault. Sure, I've been cheated and burned just like everyone, but I still want to be generous. I wish that I had more to be generous with. I sleep better at night this way. It's who I want to be.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Nov 15, 2013 9:42:33 GMT -5
You aren't being selfish. If the people calling you selfish had put in the time and effort that had and then had someone asking to come benefit from your work....they might have a different view. Not true at all. I've spent years grooming ground for deer and especially waterfowl and shared it with loads of other people. My family actually scouted, built, and maintained duck blinds on public ground where everyone could use them. You're my kind of guy.
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Post by hunthard4 on Nov 15, 2013 10:26:04 GMT -5
You aren't being selfish. If the people calling you selfish had put in the time and effort that had and then had someone asking to come benefit from your work....they might have a different view. Not true at all. I've spent years grooming ground for deer and especially waterfowl and shared it with loads of other people. My family actually scouted, built, and maintained duck blinds on public ground where everyone could use them. See that's the difference here. Your family helped out along the way. Had you done all the work and put in your hard earned time and money, your decisions might have been different to let them tag along. Regardless, if you would or not, if I were in this situation and had put in time and effort with no help, call me "selfish" but I would hesitate to welcome him this year. IMO that's not selfish though.
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Post by hornzilla on Nov 15, 2013 10:38:44 GMT -5
I think you made the right call in taking him. I know at times it might feel like a burden. But think of the people that helped everyone of us to become in love with this special time of year. By not helping I think you would have been very selfish. I hope you both have a great hunt. And enjoy a great time outside in Gods creation.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Nov 15, 2013 10:48:52 GMT -5
The more I've thought about it and read these stories the more I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just try to help him get into it like I did my best friend. If he comes out here and kills a stud he's going to be hooked for good and I'll always have a hunting buddy. I guess I was just scared about the whole idea of losing one of "MY" deer when there's a chance that I'll never even getting one. Looks like well be going out Sunday morning to try to get him a deer! Thanks for all the replies and what not. Love having people to talk to about these sort of things and this forum is my go to for situations like this. Thanks again everyone EXACT same situation as me this year, except my BIL let me know a couple months beforehand that he wanted to hunt. I think it would be the right thing for you to take him this year. There is the entire offseason to drag him along to help with property maintenance, trail cams, stand hanging, etc. He may hate it and never go again, in which case you'll have the place to yourselves again. He may find out he loves hunting and become a lifelong hunting partner (those are hard to come by). You never know, he might score a honeyhole sometime in the future, and then invite you along as well to shoot "his" bucks.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Nov 15, 2013 14:53:42 GMT -5
The more I've thought about it and read these stories the more I'm starting to feel like maybe I should just try to help him get into it like I did my best friend. If he comes out here and kills a stud he's going to be hooked for good and I'll always have a hunting buddy. I guess I was just scared about the whole idea of losing one of "MY" deer when there's a chance that I'll never even getting one. Looks like well be going out Sunday morning to try to get him a deer! Thanks for all the replies and what not. Love having people to talk to about these sort of things and this forum is my go to for situations like this. Thanks again everyone Awesome! It is a difficult decision. It will be a dig in the gut if he kills one of your good bucks. However, you will overcome and be better off for it. Hey, don't feel bad for feeling the way you initially did. It's a human reaction, and these are common with all of us at one time or another. As old dudes, we've just already dealt with this side of ourselves ....or as Bill Cosby says, "We're old people trying to get into heaven." LOL
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